Distance traveled of a ball dropped in water.

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The problem involves a steel ball dropped into the ocean, with a focus on its acceleration and the time taken to reach the bottom. The acceleration is defined as a function of velocity, which complicates the integration to find the depth of the ocean.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between acceleration and velocity, particularly how to express velocity as a function of time given the acceleration's dependence on velocity. There are attempts to integrate the acceleration equation and questions about treating velocity as a constant during integration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to integrate the acceleration equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the separation of variables, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or interpretation yet.

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Participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the implications of treating velocity as constant. There is a sense of frustration regarding the complexity of the problem, but no specific constraints or imposed rules are noted.

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Homework Statement



A steel ball is released at the surface of the ocean and it takes 64 minutes for it to hit the bottom. The balls downward acceleration is a=0.9g-cv where g=9.82 m/s2 and c = 3.02s-1 and v is the speed. What is the depth of the ocean where the ball was released?

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The ball will reach a top speed when v=(0.9g)/c

I am having trouble finding an expression for v with respect to time while the ball is accelerating since a depends on v.
When I am integrating a I don't know what to do with the -cv term to get an expression that depends on time
 
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Hi Smusko! :smile:
Smusko said:
The balls downward acceleration is a=0.9g-cv

I am having trouble finding an expression for v with respect to time while the ball is accelerating since a depends on v.

dv/dt = 0.9g - cv …

where's the difficulty? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Smusko! :smile:dv/dt = 0.9g - cv …

where's the difficulty? :wink:

When you integrate that, what happes with v? v=0.9gt - cs? since ds/dt = v. It feels so wrong.
Or do you treat v as a constant and v=0.9gt - cst? That also feels wrong.
 
Smusko said:
When you integrate that, what happes with v? v=0.9gt - cs? since ds/dt = v. It feels so wrong.
Or do you treat v as a constant and v=0.9gt - cst? That also feels wrong.

uh?? :confused:

separation of variables

dv/(0.9g - cv) = dt​
 
tiny-tim said:
uh?? :confused:

separation of variables

dv/(0.9g - cv) = dt​

I am sooooo stupid it's almost depressing.
Thank you.
 

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