Distorted grid effect in photo of LCD screen

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the visual phenomenon observed in a photograph of an LCD screen, specifically the distorted grid effect and its underlying causes. Participants explore concepts such as moiré patterns and refresh patterns, as well as the characteristics of LCD screens.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the cause of the distorted grid effect seen in a photo of an LCD screen.
  • Another participant suggests the possibility of a moiré pattern being involved.
  • There is mention of a refresh pattern as a potential explanation for the observed effect.
  • A participant describes their experience with the effect after making adjustments to the photo's contrast and other settings.
  • One participant confirms the presence of moiré patterns, explaining that they occur when two regular patterns of similar spatial frequency overlap.
  • Another participant notes that the grid of the LCD screen itself is visible, indicating that the screen consists of a grid of multi-colored dots.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the causes of the observed effect, with some agreeing on the presence of moiré patterns while others highlight the grid structure of the LCD screen. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the primary cause of the distortion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as spatial sub-sampling and the effects of defocusing, but these ideas are not fully explored or resolved within the discussion.

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What causes this effect? What am I seeing?
 
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Hi jreelawg! :smile:

Are you referring to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moir%C3%A9_pattern" ?
 
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Or possibly the refresh pattern. Can you post the picture that you are asking about, jreelawg?
 
berkeman said:
Or possibly the refresh pattern. Can you post the picture that you are asking about, jreelawg?

This was a photo of my computer's LCD screen, of this symbol, with an all white background. I noticed the effect, and I made drastic adjustments to the contrast, sharpness, saturation, tint, temperature etc.
 

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Here is what it looked like before adjusting the picture.
 

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Yep. Moiré.
 
You get moiree patterns all over the place where there are two regular patterns of similar spatial frequency. I frequently risk driving off the road when going under foot bridges where the railings on either side produce a moiree pattern which seems to 'march' over the bridge. In imaging systems, the moiree is a result of sampling at too low a frequency, (spatial sub-sampling)which produces beat patterns. Every image sensor has a built in 'blurring' filter, to reduce the effect but it cannot be too savage or normal pictures would look too soft. You might notice that your effect goes away when you defocus slightly. (If your camera will allow it).

Wagon wheels going backwards in cowboy films are an example of temporal subsampling - same basic theory.
 
I'm seeing both a moire pattern and the actual grid of the LCD screen...you do know an LCD screen is a grid of multi-colored dots, right?
 

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