Dividing by a parameter that is zero

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The discussion revolves around the concept of dividing by a parameter that approaches zero in the context of calculus of variations. Participants explore the implications of setting a parameter to zero and the associated mathematical operations, particularly focusing on derivatives and stationary points.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about dividing by zero when a parameter is set to zero in a function's derivative.
  • Another participant clarifies that the condition involves evaluating the derivative at a stationary point, not directly dividing by zero.
  • A further reply emphasizes that the derivative does not involve dividing by the parameter itself, but rather considers the limit as the parameter approaches zero.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in understanding and expresses a need to review foundational calculus concepts.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of dividing by zero in this context, with some clarifying the mathematical operations involved while others express confusion.

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There is an underlying assumption about the definitions of derivatives and stationary points that may not be fully articulated. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with calculus concepts among participants.

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Hi,

I'm studying calculus of variations, this is a bit of a recap of regular calculus.

You got a function, but you plug a vector that is parameterized so your function becomes parameterized, then you take the derivative in 3.5, and then they say: put the parameter to zero in 3.6, but then you divide by zero, I don't get it.

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Where are you dividing by \varepsilon then?

You are just using the condition that
$$f'(\vec r, 0) = \left. \frac{df}{d\epsilon} \right|_{\epsilon = 0}$$
i.e. ##\varepsilon = 0## is a stationary point to set the left hand side to zero.
 
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It doesn't set dε to 0, it sets ##\frac{df}{dε}## to 0. The rate of change of f is 0 at ε = 0 because f is stationary at that point.
 
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Are you under the impression that \frac{df}{de} involves dividing by e? It does not.
\frac{df}{de}= \lim_{h\to 0}\frac{f(e+h)- f(e)}{h}
 
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My god.What a mistake.

It's been a while since I've encountered calculus.
I better review the basics thoroughly than tackling some more advanced stuff.

Excuses!
 

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