DIY muon detector -- Is it really working?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effectiveness of a DIY muon detector and whether it is accurately detecting Cherenkov radiation from muons or other sources of noise. Participants explore the experimental setup, the nature of detected signals, and the challenges in distinguishing muons from other particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the ability to determine the source of counts from the detector based solely on a video clip.
  • One participant shares links to descriptions of similar experimental setups, questioning whether detecting muons is straightforward or merely clickbait.
  • It is noted that while obtaining hits from muons may not be difficult, distinguishing these hits from other sources is significantly more challenging.
  • A participant suggests that the rate of hits should increase with water used as a scintillator, but another counters that water as shielding would reduce muon flux.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of coincidence detection setups and energy measurements to accurately identify muon events.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the experimental setup can reliably detect muons or if the counts are primarily noise. Multiple competing views regarding the effectiveness of the setup and the interpretation of results remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the reliance on video evidence for claims, the ambiguity of terms like "noise," and the need for further experimental validation to confirm the nature of detected hits.

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Hello

I found this video on YouTube,


It seems that most of the counts are noise of the PMT...

Thank you for your time.

Regards.
 
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Is there a question in there?
 
Hello

Sorry, I forgot to repeat the question in the title. Is the homemade experimental setup detecting Cherenkov from muons, or it is detecting other things?

Thank you for your time.

Regards,
ORF
 
I don't think it's possible to answer your question from a movie clip.
 
Getting hits from muons is not hard, figuring out which of the hits are muons and which hits are something else is much harder.
 
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mfb said:
figuring out which of the hits are muons and which hits are something else is much harder.
That was my doubt: in principle, they prove that part of the hits are muons because:
-- The rate of hits increase if water is used (instead of air)
-- The rate of hits increase if a heavy material is used above the detector (in principle, this material will have more probability of interaction with muons, and the detector will notice the secondary particles).

Do these two tests confirm that part of the hits are caused by muons?

And by the way... why is harder to differ muons from something else?

Thank you for your time.

Regards.
 
Water (as shielding?) shouldn't increase the muon rate.
Based on These slides, 17 meter of water reduce the flux by a factor 10 (they discuss neutrons, but induced by muons). You need a lot of water or other materials to get relevant shielding.
ORF said:
And by the way... why is harder to differ muons from something else?
It is generally difficult to find out what produced a hit. You need a coincidence detection setup, an energy measurement, or something similar.
 
Hello

Sorry, I said it wrongly:
-Changing the scintillator material (instead of air, water), the rate of counts was doubled.
-Adding few blocks at the top of the detector, as a shielding, the increase of counts increased (in the video is said that this may have sense).

mfb said:
You need a coincidence detection setup, an energy measurement, or something similar.

Ok, maybe the easiest way is a coincidence detection setup.

Thank you for your time.

Regards.
 

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