Do 3x3 Symmetric Matrices Form a Subspace of 3x3 Matrices?

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The discussion revolves around whether the set of all 3x3 symmetric matrices forms a subspace of the space of 3x3 matrices under standard operations of matrix addition and scalar multiplication. Participants explore the necessary conditions for a subset to qualify as a subspace, referencing axioms related to vector spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to apply the 10 axioms to determine if 3x3 symmetric matrices form a subspace.
  • Another participant suggests that proving closure under addition and scalar multiplication is sufficient to establish a subspace.
  • A different participant questions whether a subspace must also include the zero vector, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the requirements.
  • One participant acknowledges the need to include the zero matrix in the proof and asserts that it is trivially symmetric.
  • It is noted that certain properties, such as commutativity of addition, hold for any subset of a vector space and do not need to be proven again for the subset.
  • Participants agree that the three conditions for a subspace include closure under addition, closure under scalar multiplication, and non-emptiness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the conditions required for a subset to be a subspace, but there is some debate regarding the necessity of proving all axioms versus focusing on the three main conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the axioms.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the completeness of their understanding of the axioms and the implications for proving subspace properties. There is a lack of consensus on whether all axioms must be explicitly proven in this context.

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symmetric matrices... help please!

hi can someone tell me...how to correctly use the 10 axioms..
for example: does the set of all 3x3 symmetric matrices form a subspace of a 3x3 matrices under the normal operations of matrix addition and multiplication?
I don't really get how to prove this..
 
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hahatyshka said:
hi can someone tell me...how to correctly use the 10 axioms..
for example: does the set of all 3x3 symmetric matrices form a subspace of a 3x3 matrices under the normal operations of matrix addition and multiplication?
I don't really get how to prove this..
The only things you need to prove are that the set is closed under addition and scalar multiplication. Suppose
[tex]A= \begin{bmatrix}a & b & c \\b & d & e \\c & e & f\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
and
[tex]B= \begin{bmatrix} u & v & w \\ v & x & y \\w & y & z\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
two symmetric matrices. Is A+ B symmetric? Is [itex]\alpha A[/itex] symmetric for any number [itex]\alpha[/itex]?
 


HallsofIvy said:
The only things you need to prove are that the set is closed under addition and scalar multiplication.

I thought a subspace had to also contain the zero vector (not empty), or am I remembering that wrong?
 


Well, yes. Thanks for the correction. I should have included that- but the 0 matrix is rather trivially symmetric isn't it?

My point is that you do NOT have to prove all "10 axioms". Given a subset of a vector space, things such as "u+ v= v+ u" follow from the fact that they are true of the entire vector space and so true for any subset.

To prove that "U is a subspace of vector space V" you need to prove:
1) U is closed under vector addition.
2) U is closed under scalar multiplication.
and the one I forgot:
3) U is non-empty.
 

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