I How to show that commutative matrices form a group?

  • #31
I agree that the problem wasn't specific enough because I didn't really understand it myself either. Now I think I'm starting to get a clearer picture about it thanks to this discussion. First I didn't understand why do I have to choose between additive and multiplicative groups but now I see why is this a question. This wasn't specified by my teacher but I have a partial answer as I worked a bit on the problem.

I started with simple 2x2 matrices. Let's say we have ## G = \begin{pmatrix} a & b \\c & d \end{pmatrix}##, where ##a,b,c,d \in \mathbb{R}##.
We're looking for all possible ## M = \begin{pmatrix} \alpha & \beta \\\gamma & \delta \end{pmatrix}##, ##\alpha,\beta,\gamma,\delta \in \mathbb{R}## such that ##GM = MG##
I did both multiplications, set up a system of equations and solved it.
##\alpha = \frac{\gamma (a-d)}{c}##
##\beta = \frac{\gamma b}{c}##
##\gamma \in \mathbb{R}##
##\delta = 0##
These ##M## matrices form a group with addition. Now what I don't know is how to generalize this to ##n \times n## matrices and I'm not sure if they form a group with other operations too. They don't with multiplication.
Also ##M## cannot be equal to ##G## but ##GG=GG## is necessarily true.
 
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  • #32
Given any matrix ##G## and a set ##X:=\{\,M\,|\,MG=GM\,\}##. Now what is ##(M-N)\cdot G - G\cdot (M-N)## and what does this mean for the properties of ##X\,?##
 
  • #33
Robin04 said:
I started with simple 2x2 matrices. Let's say we have ## G = \begin{pmatrix} a & b \\c & d \end{pmatrix}##, where ##a,b,c,d \in \mathbb{R}##.
We're looking for all possible ## M = \begin{pmatrix} \alpha & \beta \\\gamma & \delta \end{pmatrix}##, ##\alpha,\beta,\gamma,\delta \in \mathbb{R}## such that ##GM = MG##
I did both multiplications, set up a system of equations and solved it.
##\alpha = \frac{\gamma (a-d)}{c}##
##\beta = \frac{\gamma b}{c}##
##\gamma \in \mathbb{R}##
##\delta = 0##
These ##M## matrices form a group with addition. Now what I don't know is how to generalize this to ##n \times n## matrices and I'm not sure if they form a group with other operations too. They don't with multiplication.
Also ##M## cannot be equal to ##G## but ##GG=GG## is necessarily true.

There's something not right here. How can we need ##\delta = 0##? The identity matrix, for which ##\delta = 1##, commutes with everything. And, how can we have "##M## cannot be equal to ##G##"? By your own analysis ##G## always commutes with itself.
 
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  • #34
fresh_42 said:
Given any matrix ##G## and a set ##X:=\{\,M\,|\,MG=GM\,\}##. Now what is ##(M-N)\cdot G - G\cdot (M-N)## and what does this mean for the properties of ##X\,?##
##(M-N)\cdot G - G\cdot (M-N) = GN-NG##. But what is ##N##? Element of ##X## or an arbitrary matrix?

PeroK said:
There's something not right here. How can we need ##\delta = 0##? The identity matrix, for which ##\delta = 1##, commutes with everything. And, how can we have "##M## cannot be equal to ##G##"? By your own analysis ##G## always commutes with itself.
You're right. I was too tired last night so I used a linear equation solver and it seems it has some bugs when it comes to dealing with parameters. I solved it on my own and it seems I got it right this time.

##\alpha \in \mathbb{R}##
##\beta \in \mathbb{R} ##
##\gamma = \beta \frac{c}{b}##
##\delta = \beta\frac{d-a}{b}+\alpha##
These matrices form a group too, and ##I,G## are also in it.
How to generalize this to nxn matrices?
 
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  • #35
Robin04 said:
##(M-N)\cdot G - G\cdot (M-N) = GN-NG##. But what is ##N##? Element of ##X## or an arbitrary matrix?You're right. I was too tired last night so I used a linear equation solver and it seems it has some bugs when it comes to dealing with parameters. I solved it on my own and it seems I got it right this time.

##\alpha \in \mathbb{R}##
##\beta \in \mathbb{R} ##
##\gamma = \beta \frac{c}{b}##
##\delta = \beta\frac{d-a}{b}+\alpha##
These matrices form a group too, and ##I,G## are also in it.
How to generalize this to nxn matrices?

I'd still question what happens if ##b = 0## in those equations.

In general, solving equations for each matrix entry is not a very efficient way to demonstrate the properties of a matrix. I think you need to start considering the properties of the matrices involved more directly.

Are you learning this on your own?
 
  • #36
Robin04 said:
##(M-N)\cdot G - G\cdot (M-N) = GN-NG##. But what is ##N##? Element of ##X## or an arbitrary matrix?
Both have been meant to commutate with ##G##, so ##M,N\in X##.
The point is, that this is sufficient to show what you need: ##0\in X\; , \; -N \in X\; , \;M+N\in X## and even ##G \in X##, although not of interest for the group property.
Next it shows, that all these have nothing to do with a specific dimension or the solution of your system of linear equations. All you additionally need is that matrix addition is associative.
 
  • #37
Robin04 said:
How to generalize this to nxn matrices?

Forget about the particulars of matrices. What you want to prove holds for any mathematical system that obeys the associative law (posts #12, #32)
 
  • #38
I would also learn how to write matrix multiplication using Summation notation.
 
  • #39
Robin04 said:
##(M-N)\cdot G - G\cdot (M-N) = GN-NG##. But what is ##N##? Element of ##X## or an arbitrary matrix?You're right. I was too tired last night so I used a linear equation solver and it seems it has some bugs when it comes to dealing with parameters. I solved it on my own and it seems I got it right this time.

##\alpha \in \mathbb{R}##
##\beta \in \mathbb{R} ##
##\gamma = \beta \frac{c}{b}##
##\delta = \beta\frac{d-a}{b}+\alpha##
These matrices form a group too, and ##I,G## are also in it.
How to generalize this to nxn matrices?
But this too seems problematic. If ##\beta ## is in ##\mathbb R## then ##\gamma ## can be anything.
 
  • #40
The more useful proposition is that the set X_G of nxn matrices which commute with a specific nxn matrix G form a ring under matrix addition and multiplication. Now this ring is a subring of the ring of all nxn matrices, so we only have to check closure of addition and multiplication and that X_G contains identities and additive inverses. This requires proving the following:

1) If M and N commute with G then so does M + N.
2) If M and N commute with G then so does MN.
3) The nxn zero matrix commutes with G.
4) The nxn identity matrix commutes with G.
5) If M commutes with G then so does -M.

All of these can be proved directly from ring axioms and the definition of "commute". Thus (1) follows from distributivity of multiplication over addition, and (2) follows from associativity of multiplication.
 

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