Do Charged Particles Exhibit Stronger Gravitational Fields?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether charged particles exhibit stronger gravitational fields compared to uncharged particles of the same mass. Participants explore this question in the context of subatomic particles, considering both theoretical implications and experimental uncertainties.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a charged particle might have a larger gravitational field due to the stress produced by its electric field.
  • Another participant argues that the gravitational field of charged and uncharged subatomic particles with identical inertial mass should theoretically be the same, citing the equivalence principle.
  • Discussion includes the gravitational field of charged black holes, with references to the Reissner-Nordström metric, which indicates differences in gravitational characteristics due to charge.
  • Some participants note that Newtonian gravity does not account for charge, implying that classically, charge does not contribute to gravitational strength.
  • There is mention of the complexity introduced by general relativity (GR), where the gravitational field of charged objects is described as having more curvature compared to uncharged objects, but it is unclear how this translates to a simple comparison of strength.
  • One participant expresses confusion over the implications of curvature and how it relates to gravitational mass, indicating a need for deeper understanding of GR.
  • Another participant highlights that the gravitational field outside a charged mass is different but cannot be simply characterized as stronger or weaker due to the complexities involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether charged particles have a stronger gravitational field than uncharged ones. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the implications of charge on gravitational fields.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects limitations in understanding the relationship between charge and gravity, particularly under the framework of general relativity. Participants acknowledge the complexities of gravitational curvature and the equivalence principle without resolving the underlying questions.

  • #31
TurtleMeister said:
Are you saying that the uncharged particle is not a source of a gravitational field?

I figured that he meant that the field for the charged object is also a source of curvature. But I think he also meant the same for it's mass.
 
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  • #32
When you are computing the energy density of an uncharged object in the stress energy tensor, do you include it's "rest-mass" energy density too?
 
  • #33
quantumfoam said:
When you are computing the energy density of an uncharged object in the stress energy tensor, do you include it's "rest-mass" energy density too?
Yes. That is usually the dominant contributor. It is part of the 0,0 component here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress–energy_tensor
 
  • #34
Thank you very much:smile:
 
  • #35
Just to be clear, I can't add the stress-energy tensor of a charged subatomic particle in terms of its mass and the stress-energy tensor of the same subatomic particle in terms of its charge?
 
  • #36
quantumfoam said:
Just to be clear, I can't add the stress-energy tensor of a charged subatomic particle in terms of its mass and the stress-energy tensor of the same subatomic particle in terms of its charge?
You can add the stress energy tensors, but the resulting curvature tensors don't add.
 
  • #37
quantumfoam said:
Just to be clear, I can't add the stress-energy tensor of a charged subatomic particle in terms of its mass and the stress-energy tensor of the same subatomic particle in terms of its charge?

Hello

Including charge in the equations of motion opens the door to Lorentz force to be applied on the test particles. This happens to be the case if an electromagnetic stress tensor is added to the gravitational one since the Lorentz force is related with electromagnetic strength tensor F_{{\mu}{\nu}} in GR, as many others may have informed you of. Since it is an additive effect, then of course the field would be slightly stronger though for a subatomic particle like electron, gravity loses to Coulomb strength by 10^{-42} which is quite decent for it to be neglected in any physical scale.

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