Do Fourier transforms always converge to 0 at the extreme ends?

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The discussion centers around the behavior of Fourier transforms at the extreme ends, specifically whether they always converge to 0 as the variable approaches infinity. Participants explore this question in the context of both general functions and specific cases such as periodic signals.

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  • One participant questions whether Fourier transforms converge to 0 at the extremes, suggesting that for infinite signals, this is generally true.
  • Another participant argues that Fourier transforms do not always converge to 0, particularly for periodic signals which are discrete in the frequency domain.
  • Further discussion highlights that the first term in integration by parts tends to 0, regardless of whether the function is periodic, raising questions about the conditions under which this holds.
  • A participant emphasizes that the original question pertains to Fourier transforms rather than Fourier series, noting that the finiteness of the integral of the function does not guarantee convergence to 0 at infinity.
  • Concerns are raised about the mathematical relationship between Fourier series and Fourier transforms, particularly regarding the treatment of periodic functions and Dirac delta functions.

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Participants express differing views on the convergence of Fourier transforms at infinity, with no consensus reached. Some argue for specific conditions under which convergence occurs, while others highlight exceptions, particularly in the case of periodic functions.

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Participants note that the behavior of Fourier transforms may depend on specific properties of the function, such as satisfying Dirichlet conditions, and that the mathematical treatment of periodic functions can complicate the analysis.

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From -infinity to infinity at the extreme ends do Fourier transforms always converge to 0? I know in the case of signals, you can never have an infinite signal so it does go to 0, but speaking in general if you are taking the Fourier transform of f(x)

If you do integration by parts, you get a term (f(x)e^ikx evaluated from -infinity to infinity why does this always = 0?
 
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nabeel17 said:
From -infinity to infinity at the extreme ends do Fourier transforms always converge to 0?
No, not always. If a signal is periodic in one domain then it is discrete in the other domain. So if you have a signal which is discrete in time, then it is periodic in frequency. Since it is periodic in frequency it does not converge to 0 at infinity.
 
DaleSpam said:
No, not always. If a signal is periodic in one domain then it is discrete in the other domain. So if you have a signal which is discrete in time, then it is periodic in frequency. Since it is periodic in frequency it does not converge to 0 at infinity.

Ok then why is it that we the first term in the integration by parts goes to 0 then regardless of the function (Whether it is periodic or not)? For example when finding the Fourier transform of a derivative F[d/dx] = ∫d/dxf(x)e^ikx= f(x)e^ikx evaluated -infinity to infinity -ik∫f(x)e^ikx

the first term = 0, why is that? If it were a wave function like in QM then it makes sense because the area under the wave function must be finite and converge to 0 at the extremes for it to have a probability density, but why here?
 
nabeel17 said:
Ok then why is it that we the first term in the integration by parts goes to 0 then regardless of the function (Whether it is periodic or not)? For example when finding the Fourier transform of a derivative F[d/dx] = ∫d/dxf(x)e^ikx= f(x)e^ikx evaluated -infinity to infinity -ik∫f(x)e^ikx

the first term = 0, why is that? If it were a wave function like in QM then it makes sense because the area under the wave function must be finite and converge to 0 at the extremes for it to have a probability density, but why here?
I think that the various properties of the Fourier transform all assume that f satisfies the Dirichlet conditions.
 
The OP is asking about Fourier transforms, not Fourier series (of periodic functions) which is what #2 and #4 appear to be about.

A reasonable condition for Fourier transforms to behave sensibly is that ##\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}|f(x)|dx## is finite. Note that if you use Lebesque measure to define integration, that does not imply ##f(x)## converges to 0 as x tends to infinity. ##f(x)## can take any values on a set of measure zero.

(Also note, "reasonable" does not necessarily mean either "necessary" or "sufficient"!)

The mathematical correspondence between Fourier series and Fourier transforms is not quite "obvious", since the Fourier transform of a periodic function (defined by an integral with an infinite range) involves Dirac delta functions, and indeed the Fourier transform of a periodic function is identically zero except on a set of measure zero (i.e. the points usually called the "Fourier coefficients").

On the other hand if you integrate over one period of a periodic function, it is a lot simpler to get to some practical results, even if you have to skate over why the math "really" works out that way.
 
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