Do gravitational waves penetrate black holes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around whether gravitational waves can penetrate black holes, exploring the implications of General Relativity and the nature of event horizons. Participants consider theoretical aspects, potential experimental implications, and the relationship between gravitational waves and black holes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that gravitational waves cannot re-emerge once they pass the event horizon, aligning with the idea that the event horizon acts as a one-way membrane.
  • Others propose that gravitational waves might not be absorbed in the same way as matter, raising questions about their behavior in the context of black holes.
  • A participant speculates that gravitational waves could be bent around black holes, potentially allowing for interference experiments, although this remains theoretical.
  • One viewpoint asserts that gravitational waves do penetrate black holes, linking this to event horizon fluctuations and suggesting that the dynamics of the event horizon may be analogous to superfluid behavior.
  • Another participant emphasizes the complexity of the question, arguing that the geometry of spacetime should be considered as a whole rather than separating gravitational waves from the black hole background.
  • Several contributions highlight the speculative nature of these ideas, particularly regarding quantum effects and the encoding of information in event horizon fluctuations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the behavior of gravitational waves in relation to black holes, with no consensus reached on whether they penetrate or are absorbed by black holes. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that many of the claims are speculative and depend on complex theoretical frameworks, including quantum gravity and string theory. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the implications of event horizon dynamics and the nature of information retention in black holes.

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According to General Relativity, do gravitational waves penetrate black holes? My gut feeling says "no, if gravitational wave goes under event horizon, it won't re-emerge", but I'm not an expert...
 
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Hmmm. I'm not sure. Gravitational waves are in the metric, so I don't think they would be "sucked in" quite like matter would, but I don't know if they would continue through.
 
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The subject line asks if they penetrate, but the text asks if they re-emerge...?

The event horizon acts as a one-way membrane. Information can get in but not out. Gravitational waves can go in but not out.
 
If black holes absorb gravitational waves, this would allow to perform interference experiments with gravitational waves - at least in theory.
I would expect that those waves are bent close to the black hole, similar to light, so you would still see gravitational waves behind. But that is just speculation.
 
Yes, gravitational waves do penetrate black holes. This is an equivalent phenomenon to the event horizon fluctuations. A gravitational wave going through a black hole means that the black hole is changing its shape. On the other side, a black hole that is changing its shape for any reason emits gravitational waves. These are two views of the same phenomenon. You may imagine it as a droplet with a distorted surface.

Event horizon may go "forward" and "backward". You can define mathematicaly a sphere with a center inside the singularity. Then, some parts of the event horizon will be "above" the sphere and some will be "below". The shape may change with time. It may jump above the sphere at some point then it may submerge. In fact, it may do harmonic oscillations. The shape of the event horizon may change - the only requirement is that its total surface never decreases. The mathematics that govern the event horizon dynamics is exactly equivalent to the dynamics of a superfluid - a fluid that has no viscosity.

Of course, this process may not take away any mass from inside the black hole (classically). If some particle is caught below the event horizon, it may never come outside. Speaking bluntly, particles inside the black hole fall faster than the event horizon chasing them.

Things become interesting when we consider quantum effects. The event horizon fluctuations then may carry information about the matter that had fallen inside the black hole. So, no information is lost. All information about matter falling inside the hole is encoded in its event horizon fluctuations. All information within a volume of some object may be encoded on a surface of an event horizon of a black hole of the mass equal to the object's mass - this is the Bekenstein bound.

The fluctuations of the event horizon make up its microscopic structure. That explains why a black hole may have temperature. The event horizon surface is then proportional to the entropy. That is why it usually may only increase - and why the hole is "black" (nothing can escape it). However, as we know, entropy is our lack of knowledge about the microscopic structure of an object. If we happen to know it, it no longer increases. That explains the Hawking radiation. That means - the principle that nothing may escape a black hole is strictly equivalent to the second law of thermodynamics. However, on the microscopic scale, all processes are reversible, entropy does not increase and that is why matter may escape the black hole.

I want to state it clear: all these theses above are highly speculative. However, they appear in many theories, be it string theories or quantum gravity. Also, I let myself to recommend here all the Leonard Susskind's books, where I read all this from.
 
Does it really make sense to ask whether a gravitational wave penetrates the horizon?

The horizon is defined by the full geometry; splitting geometry into a propagating gravitational wave and a black hole background does not really make sense. The gravitational wave has no position w.r.t. background spacetime; only the fully spacetime is spacetime.
 
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