Do Higher-Dimensional Objects Experience Length Contraction in 3D Space?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether higher-dimensional objects experience length contraction when moving through three-dimensional space. Participants explore the implications of dimensionality on the phenomenon of length contraction, considering both theoretical and hypothetical scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that objects moving through three-dimensional space experience length contraction, but question whether this applies to higher-dimensional objects.
  • Others argue that length contraction is a relative measurement dependent on the observer's frame of reference, and thus the concept of "along" versus "through" space may not be meaningful.
  • A participant proposes an analogy involving a line and a circle to clarify the distinction between motion "along" and "through" space.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the existence and behavior of higher-dimensional objects, noting that current physical laws apply only to three-dimensional space.
  • There is a suggestion that the rules governing higher-dimensional objects are unknown, which complicates the discussion of length contraction in those dimensions.
  • A later reply emphasizes that without evidence of dimensions beyond the known four, the question of length contraction for higher-dimensional objects cannot be formally addressed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus. There are multiple competing views regarding the applicability of length contraction to higher-dimensional objects, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion is limited by the lack of empirical evidence for higher dimensions and the applicability of current physical laws, which are primarily based on three-dimensional space.

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Please excuse any stupidity, but I'm under the impression that objects that travel "along" 3- dimensional" space (therefore the objects are three dimensional) with velocity v are subject to length contraction. However would objects of 3+ dimensions and with velocity v still be subject to length contractions when these objects travel "through" 3- dimensional space?

With the term "subject to length contraction" I mean that the length of the object parallel to its one- dimensional motion, would contract.

Many thanks
 
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There is no such thing as 'along' versus 'through' space. More importantly, length contraction is not something that happens to an object. It is a difference between how someone at rest relative to an object measures it versus someone moving relative to the object. All motion is relative, so it is inherently meaningless to talk about who is moving through space.
 
PAllen said:
There is no such thing as 'along' versus 'through' space. More importantly, length contraction is not something that happens to an object. It is a difference between how someone at rest relative to an object measures it versus someone moving relative to the object. All motion is relative, so it is inherently meaningless to talk about who is moving through space.
I see; thank you for the corrections.

I'll give an analogy for what I mean by "along" and "through" a space.

Say there's a line along a y- axis and that this line is a one- dimensional space. A circle with two degrees of freedom can either travel "along" the space by traveling parallel to the line or "through" the space by traveling perpendicular to the line. In this case the line represents three dimensional space and the circle represents an object of 3+ dimensions.

Let's say there's an obsever, Bob, who's stationary. He sees a 3 dimensional object with velocity v and thus the length of the object parrallel to its one dimensional motion is contracted from his frame of reference. It travels "along" 3- dimensional space.

Next Bob sees an object of 3+ dimensions of the same velocity, v, that travels "through" 3- dimensional space. Would the length parallel to its one dimensional motion be contracted in Bob's frame of reference?

Hopefully this makes the question (more) valid!
 
I read the OP as meaning travel through space in the sense of an object passing through a 2d plane. In which case we have no evidence that there's anything outside the 3+1 dimensional universe, so there is no formal physical framework in which the question can be framed and it cannot be answered.

Edit: crossed posts with the OP's clarification. I think the above answers the question.
 
Ibix said:
I read the OP as meaning travel through space in the sense of an object passing through a 2d plane. In which case we have no evidence that there's anything outside the 3+1 dimensional universe, so there is no formal physical framework in which the question can be framed and it cannot be answered.

Edit: crossed posts with the OP's clarification. I think the above answers the question.
So it may not have any physical significance but hypothetically would the length of the 3+ object be contracted?
 
Einstein's Cat said:
So it may not have any physical significance but hypothetically would the length of the 3+ object be contracted?
I would think that would depend on the rules of geometry obeyed by higher dimensional objects. Since we have no idea if there are more dimensions than the four we know, we don't know what rules they might obey. So, no idea.
 
Einstein's Cat said:
Please excuse any stupidity, but I'm under the impression that objects that travel "along" 3- dimensional" space (therefore the objects are three dimensional) with velocity v are subject to length contraction.

If the object is moving relative to an observer, then the observer will witness length contraction. But the contraction is only along the line of motion, not in the other two directions.
 
Mister T said:
If the object is moving relative to an observer, then the observer will witness length contraction. But the contraction is only along the line of motion, not in the other two directions.
Therefore as a 3+ dimensional object travels "through" 3D space there's no one dimensional motion and thus no length contraction; Is this correct?
 
Einstein's Cat said:
Therefore as a 3+ dimensional object travels "through" 3D space there's no one dimensional motion and thus no length contraction; Is this correct?
We don't know because we don't know if more dimensions than just the four exist, so we don't know how they would behave if they did exist.
 
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EC, your questions are simply not possible for us to answer, as our physical laws only apply to objects within three-dimensional space. Since your question isn't answerable beyond that, I'm afraid I'm going to have to lock this thread.
 

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