Do Objects in Free Fall Encounter Air Resistance?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of free fall, particularly whether objects in free fall encounter air resistance. Participants explore definitions of free fall, the implications of air resistance, and the context of these definitions in different environments, such as on Earth and in a vacuum.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that free fall is defined as motion under the sole influence of gravity, implying that objects in an atmosphere experience air resistance and thus are not in true free fall.
  • Others agree that free fall should be defined as occurring in a vacuum, suggesting that everything else has a terminal velocity due to air resistance.
  • A participant points out that the quoted definition does not specify conditions, leading to confusion about free fall near the Earth's surface versus in a vacuum.
  • There is a discussion about the colloquial use of the term "free fall," particularly in the context of skydiving, which some argue differs from the strict physics definition.
  • One participant mentions that while free fall calculations can be applied to short distances in the presence of air resistance, they acknowledge that this is a simplification.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that in deep space, motion can also be considered free fall, despite the presence of minimal drag forces from low-density gas and dust.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of free fall and whether air resistance is encountered in such scenarios. There is no consensus on a singular definition, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of definitions and the context in which they apply, such as the difference between theoretical and practical scenarios involving air resistance and free fall.

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"Free-fall is the motion of objects that move under the sole influence of gravity; free-falling objects do not encounter air resistance.

Huh ?? of course it encounters air resistance, doesnt it ?
An object, regardless of what it is, encounters resistance, it's what keeps the freefall speed constant for that object

os is truer freefall definition , falling in a vacuum ? everything else has a terminal velocity ?

Dave

PS> I think I tripped myself up haha
 
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davenn said:
is truer freefall definition , falling in a vacuum ?
Yes
 
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davenn said:
Huh ?? of course it encounters air resistance, doesnt it ?
Not on the Moon. The quoted exerpt says nothing about "near the surface of the Earth".
 
A.T. said:
Yes

thanks, Initially when i read that statement online, I was forgetting the about terminal velocity,
and that was what was leading me astray

Old age and and senility is my excuse haha

Dave

and to show how bad that is .... I typed this response 2 hrs ago and just found that I
hadnt sent it haha
Long before Kuruman responded LOL
 
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Free-fall is defined as moving only under the influence of gravity, so strictly speaking nothing falling in atmosphere is in free fall because it always experiences drag force. So I think "free-falling objects do not encounter air resistance" (as quoted in the OP) is stated the wrong way round - it would be better to say "if it encounters air resistance, it's not in free-fall".

The usual "eh, close enough" rules apply to stuff like dropping a rock a short distance from rest, and we use free-fall calculations for that kind of thing because the error is negligible.
 
It's a physics definition vs a colloquial/laymen's definition. Skydivers refer to what they are doing as "freefall".
 
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russ_watters said:
Skydivers refer to what they are doing as "freefall".
And the videos they take of each other show that opening a parachute will send you upwards. Just what sort of a world are they living in?
 
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sophiecentaur said:
And the videos they take of each other show that opening a parachute will send you upwards. Just what sort of a world are they living in?
Relative?
 
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russ_watters said:
Skydivers refer to what they are doing as "freefall".
And so did Tom Petty.
 
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davenn said:
freefall definition , falling in a vacuum ?
Yes. Note that ##g## is properly called the free fall acceleration.
 
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Mister T said:
Yes. Note that ##g## is properly called the free fall acceleration.
A huge change of scale and we think of motion in deep space as being 'free fall' but the g forces are minuscule and I'd imagine that the 'drag' due to momentum exchange in very low density gas and dust must often be of the same order of magnitude - which explains why nebulae evolve to form planetary discs.
 

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