Do Photons from one star affect other stars?

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The discussion explores the potential effects of photons emitted by stars on the motion of other stars and star systems, particularly focusing on concepts like radiation pressure and its implications for cosmic expansion. Participants also touch on the relationship between these effects and dark matter and dark energy, considering both theoretical and observational aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether photons from the sun can affect the flight path of asteroids and extends this inquiry to nearby star systems, suggesting a possible slight push between star systems.
  • Another participant asserts that while photons do not significantly modify the orbits of other stars, they acknowledge that there could be a slight push due to radiation pressure, although it is negligible.
  • A participant clarifies that dark matter and dark energy are relevant only on very large scales, which do not pertain to the interactions between nearby stars.
  • One participant references a lecture by Susskind discussing radiation pressure's effects on cosmological expansion, noting its significance in the early universe but not in the current context of star interactions.
  • Another participant confirms that the photons affecting cosmological expansion during the radiation era originated from the cosmic microwave background rather than from stars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the extent to which photons can influence star systems, with some suggesting a negligible effect while others emphasize the lack of significant impact on star orbits. There is no consensus on the relevance of these effects to dark matter and dark energy calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the low intensity of light from one star affecting another and the massive nature of stars, which contribute to the negligible measurable effects of radiation pressure. The discussion also highlights the distinction between the effects of stellar photons and those from the cosmic microwave background.

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I am not a physicist but have heard that photons from the sun effect the flight path of asteroids? I was just wondering if these same photons would ever be able to effect nearby star systems? Therefore could there be a slight push between star-systems pushing them further apart? (Does this come into effect when calculating dark matter/energy?) Probably a stupid question but just interested. Thanks.
 
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ChrisPNZ said:
I was just wondering if these same photons would ever be able to effect nearby star systems? Therefore could there be a slight push between star-systems pushing them further apart?

Not to the extent that they modify the other star's orbit, to be sure

ChrisPNZ said:
(Does this come into effect when calculating dark matter/energy?)

No. Stars contain only matter; dark energy is a property of space. Dark matter and dark energy only come into play on very large scales that vastly dwarf the distance between nearby stars.
 
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ChrisPNZ said:
Therefore could there be a slight push between star-systems pushing them further apart?

I believe so. But since the intenity of the light from one star falling on another star is usually extremely low, the radiation pressure is also extremely small. That combined with the fact that stars are very massive means that the effect is negligible to the point of being immeasurable in almost all cases.
 
I remember Susskind, in one of his lectures on youtube, discussing the effects of radiation pressure on cosmological expansion. The effect was significant in the very early universe, but ceased to be so long before the formation of stars. I'll try to go back and find the specific lecture and post a link to it.
 
mrspeedybob said:
I remember Susskind, in one of his lectures on youtube, discussing the effects of radiation pressure on cosmological expansion.
Indeed, and this was during the radiation era. But the photons that drove the expansion were from the cosmic microwave background, not stars.
 
Thanks for your reply guys - might have to go and watch Susskinds youtube lecture now :)
 

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