Do Pseudovectors Change Direction After Reflection?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of pseudovectors under reflection, particularly in relation to angular momentum and the definitions provided in a Wikipedia article. Participants explore the geometric interpretation of pseudovectors versus true vectors and the implications of reflection on their directionality.

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  • Some participants note that the Wikipedia article suggests pseudovectors change direction after reflection, while others argue that angular momentum remains invariant under reflection.
  • One participant describes a geometric interpretation where a pseudovector is said to be the opposite of its mirror image, contrasting it with true vectors that match their mirror images.
  • A participant proposes a thought experiment using the Right Hand Rule and its left-hand counterpart to illustrate the invariance of direction for pseudovectors.
  • Another participant challenges the clarity of the Wikipedia article, asserting that the reflection of a pseudovector does not change its sign when reflected in a mirror perpendicular to the vector, but does change when reflected in a parallel mirror.
  • There is a disagreement regarding the accuracy of the original statement about pseudovectors, with one participant claiming it is incomplete and incorrect, while another defends its correctness despite poor wording.

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Participants express differing views on whether pseudovectors change direction after reflection, leading to unresolved disagreements about the definitions and implications presented in the Wikipedia article.

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Participants highlight potential ambiguities in the definitions and examples provided in the Wikipedia article, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific interpretations of reflection and vector types.

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The Wikipedia article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudovector" initally suggests that they do change direction after reflection.

Geometrically it (a pseudovector) is the opposite, of equal magnitude but in the opposite direction, of its mirror image. This is as opposed to a true or polar vector (more formally, a contravariant vector), which on reflection matches its mirror image.

But in a later http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudovector#Physical_examples" angular momentum remains invariant under reflection.

Each wheel of a car driving away from an observer has an angular momentum pseudovector pointing left. The same is true for the mirror image of the car.

A pseudovector is direction invariant under reflection or not?

I tried to devise a trick on the Right Hand Rule - if I were to switch to a left hand rule (left hand appears to be a mirror image of the right hand), and curl my left palm as in right hand rule. I noticed that if the left hand is to be maintained as a mirror image of the right, the direction of both the thumbs is same, suggesting that it is invariant.
 
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SgrA* said:
The Wikipedia article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudovector" initally suggests that they do change direction after reflection.
Geometrically it (a pseudovector) is the opposite, of equal magnitude but in the opposite direction, of its mirror image. This is as opposed to a true or polar vector (more formally, a contravariant vector), which on reflection matches its mirror image.
But in a later http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudovector#Physical_examples" angular momentum remains invariant under reflection.
Well, that's wikipedia for ya'. Sometimes very good, sometimes poorly written and confusing, sometimes flat out wrong. This article falls in the second category.

You are talking about this image in the wiki article:
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Think of the car on the left as the real car, the car on the right as the car's reflection. Imagine a vector on the car's rear bumper, with the tail in the middle of the red/gray hatched region and the head in the middle of the red/blue hatched region. In the car on the left, this vector is parallel to the angular momentum vectors of the car's wheels. Upon reflection, this vector reverses direction: It is points to the right upon reflection. This displacement vector is a real vector rather than a pseudovector. It's reflected image is the reverse of the real image in this particular example. The angular momentum pseudovectors are reflected and reversed. Reflection alone would reverse the direction of the pseudovectors. Reversing the reflections of these pseudovectors leaves those pseudovectors unchanged in this particular example.
 
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Actually, the original statement is not complete and not correct. It is true that a pseudovector, reflected in a mirror perpendicular to the vector, does not change sign. If you reflect a pseudovector in a mirror parallel to the vector, it does change sign.
 
You misread that statement in the wikipedia article. The statement is correct, just very poorly worded.
 

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