Do Standing and Traveling Waves Share the Same Period?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the periods of standing waves and the traveling waves that combine to form them. Participants are exploring whether the period of a standing wave is the same as the periods of the two traveling waves that create it.

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  • Participants are questioning the relationship between the angular frequency of the traveling waves and the resultant standing wave. There is an inquiry into whether the angular frequency of the standing wave is the same, half, or a different fraction of the angular frequency of the traveling waves.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the frequency and period of the waves, noting that the frequency of the standing wave appears to be the same as that of the traveling waves if they share the same frequency. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved, particularly using trigonometric identities.

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One participant mentions using an Excel document to visualize wave movement, which introduces potential constraints in understanding the physical concepts due to the lack of detailed descriptions. There is also a mention of confusion regarding terminology, particularly between frequency and period.

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Is the period of a comination wave the same as the period of two traveling waves that make up this combination standing wave?

I googled it, but found nothing as of yet concerning equal periods.

Thank you for your time.
 
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jcais said:
Is the period of a comination wave the same as the period of two traveling waves that make up this combination standing wave?

I googled it, but found nothing as of yet concerning equal periods.

Thank you for your time.
The two traveling waves have the same angular frequency [itex]\omega[/itex], right? Now, what is the angular frequency of the resultant standing wave in terms of the angular frequency of the two standing waves? Is it twice the angular frequency of each traveling wave? I sit half of it? The same? One fourth?

If you are not sure, use algebra to prove it. Just add the waves
[tex]A sin( k x - \ometa t)[/tex]
and [tex]A sin (kx + \omega t)[/tex]

using the trig identity for sin(A) + sin(B) (the A here has nothing to do with the amplitude, it just represents and arbitrary angle).
What do you get?


Patrick
 
I am using an Excel document. It tells me to press F9 to make the waves move. The freq of the standing wave is easy to get. It is 3.15 seconds (the time it takes for an extreme to go back to an extreme). 1/3.15 = period. I am supposed to press F9 to move the traveling waves from one extreme to another. I don't know what an extreme would be. But, I did it and guessed that the freq. is also 3.15. The way I am describing this is confusing, because there is not much detail in words.

So, I guess the 2 traveling waves have the same freq. as one combo standing wave making them both have the same period because T = 1/f, if I am correct.

Thank you for your assistance.
 
jcais said:
I am using an Excel document. It tells me to press F9 to make the waves move. The freq of the standing wave is easy to get. It is 3.15 seconds (the time it takes for an extreme to go back to an extreme).
No, this is the *period*. The period is in seconds. And it is the time it takes for a point to go from an extreme position (say y=+A) down and back to its initial position.
1/3.15 = period.
that will be in Hz (Hz= 1/second) and that's the frequency.
I am supposed to press F9 to move the traveling waves from one extreme to another. I don't know what an extreme would be. But, I did it and guessed that the freq. is also 3.15. The way I am describing this is confusing, because there is not much detail in words.

So, I guess the 2 traveling waves have the same freq. as one combo standing wave making them both have the same period because T = 1/f, if I am correct.
You can check it with the trig identities for adding trig functions. But yes,, the frequency of the combined wave is the same as the frequency of the individual waves (if each wave has the same frequency)

Patrick
 

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