Do the eigenfunctions for the position operator form an orthogonal set?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of eigenfunctions for the position operator in quantum mechanics, specifically whether they form an orthogonal set. Participants explore the implications of the position operator's properties, the mathematical framework involved, and the conditions under which eigenfunctions can be defined.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the eigenfunctions of the position operator can be arbitrary, leading to confusion regarding their orthogonality as stated by McQuarrie.
  • Another participant corrects the first by emphasizing the need to distinguish between the eigenvalue and the operator, proposing that the eigenvalue should be represented as y instead of x.
  • This participant argues that the only function satisfying the eigenvalue equation in a non-trivial sense is the Dirac delta function, which is not square integrable but exhibits orthogonality in a distributional sense.
  • A third participant references the spectral theorem and asserts that the position operator is self-adjoint on its domain, indicating that the eigenfunctions form a complete set in a rigged Hilbert space, specifically as Dirac delta distributions.
  • A later reply expresses a need for more rigorous mathematical resources, indicating that the current understanding may be insufficient for grasping concepts like Hilbert spaces and self-adjointness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the eigenfunctions of the position operator, with some asserting that they are not within the Hilbert space while others reference the spectral theorem suggesting a more complex structure. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of eigenfunctions and the mathematical rigor required to fully understand the implications of self-adjoint operators and rigged Hilbert spaces. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in establishing orthogonality or completeness of the eigenfunctions.

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Starting with,

[itex]\hat{X}\psi = x\psi[/itex]

then,

[itex]x\psi = x\psi[/itex]

[itex]\psi = \psi[/itex]

So the eigenfunctions for this operator can equal anything (as long as they keep [itex]\hat{X}[/itex] linear and Hermitian), right?

Well, McQuarrie says that "the eigenfunctions of a Hermitian operator are orthogonal", which can be checked with:

[itex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\psi^*_m \psi_n\, dx = \langle m | n \rangle = 0[/itex]

But if the eigenfunctions can be anything, then that integral won't always equal zero. What am I missing here?

Thanks
 
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So, you're messing up because you're using x as both the eigenvalue and the operator X. The correct equation should look like:

[tex]\hat{X}\psi=y\psi[/tex]

We can't know a priori that the eigenfunction [itex]\psi[/itex] has eigenvalue x, so we must use y as the eigenvalue.

Therefore

[tex]x\psi=y\psi[/tex]

And

[tex](x-y)\psi=0[/tex]

Let's make the notation better still:

[tex](x-y)\psi_y(x)=0[/tex]

So, our wave function is a function of x, and it has eigenvalue y for the x-operator.

What "function" can make this true for arbitrary x and y? Well, actually there is no function that can make this true for arbitrary x and y other than the trivial [itex]\psi=0[/itex] function but this is the trivial case. In fact, x has no "eigenfunctions" in the strict sense of the word "function". The only thing that could make that above equality work is:

[tex]\psi_y(x)=\delta(x-y)[/tex]

Now you notice that this is STILL not square integrable, however, it IS orthogonal in some sense:

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\psi_y(x)\psi_z(x)dx=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\delta(x-y)\delta(x-z)dx=\delta(y-z)[/tex]

This is the best that we can do. The eigenfunctions of x (and p) are not actually within the Hilbert space.
 
If X acts on wavefunctions of L2(R) as a multiplication through the real number x, then one can show that X is self-adjoint on his domain of definition. Then by the spectral theorem of Gelfand-Kostyuchenko-Maurin, an extension of it has a complete set of eigenfunctions is a rigged Hilbert space built over L2(R). The eigenfunctions are the Dirac delta distributions.
 
dextercioby said:
If X acts on wavefunctions of L2(R) as a multiplication through the real number x, then one can show that X is self-adjoint on his domain of definition. Then by the spectral theorem of Gelfand-Kostyuchenko-Maurin, an extension of it has a complete set of eigenfunctions is a rigged Hilbert space built over L2(R). The eigenfunctions are the Dirac delta distributions.

Thanks, but...Your explanation

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My headI think I'm going to have to find a more mathematically rigorous textbook on the subject as mine doesn't discuss Hilbert spaces, self-adjointness, or that spectral theorem.
 

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