Do We Sense the Rotation on a Rapidly Spinning Planet?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether a person would feel the rotation of a rapidly spinning planet, specifically one that rotates once every 3 seconds while maintaining a gravitational acceleration of 9.81 m/s². Participants explore the implications of centrifugal force, apparent gravity, and the human body's ability to sense rotation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the reason we don't feel Earth's rotation is due to gravity counteracting centrifugal force, while others question how this applies to a planet with a much faster rotation.
  • A participant suggests that on a planet rotating every 3 seconds, one would feel the rotation due to significant tidal acceleration and Coriolis effects.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that 9.81 m/s² would keep someone grounded under such rapid rotation, questioning the validity of this conclusion.
  • Some argue that if an accelerometer can detect changes due to rotation, then the human body should also be able to sense it, while others counter that sensors and humans perceive acceleration differently.
  • There is a discussion about the difference between gravitational force and centrifugal force, with some participants clarifying that 9.81 m/s² refers to apparent gravity and not the actual gravitational force experienced during rotation.
  • One participant points out that if the acceleration remains at 9.81 m/s², similar to Earth, then there would be nothing to feel, while others suggest that the rapid rotation would create different sensations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether one would feel the rotation of a rapidly spinning planet. Multiple competing views remain regarding the effects of centrifugal force, apparent gravity, and human perception of acceleration.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of gravitational and centrifugal forces, as well as the conditions under which the human body might or might not sense rotation. The discussion also highlights the complexity of relating sensor measurements to human perception.

  • #31
jbriggs444 said:
Yes, he could. If he nods his head, he will feel the dizziness due to Coriolis forces acting on the fluid in the semi-circular canals in his ears.
Dizziness would be the least of his worries. Consider what the Coriolis forces will do to his beating heart, his blood circulation and his lungs, if he dares "breathe normally". 🤮
 
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  • #32
jbriggs444 said:
Nominally he should be experiencing 1 g of apparent weight.

Only if the 1 g is given for his center of mass and even than only on average. With 1 g at ground level it would be 0.6±0.4 g for a person with a body height of 1.8 m. Maybe he wouldn't know where the differences come from, but he could feel them.
 
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  • #33
kuruman said:
Consider what the Coriolis forces will do to his beating heart, his blood circulation and his lungs, if he dares "breathe normally".

With a period of 3 seconds nothing special.
 
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  • #35
kuruman said:
Dizziness would be the least of his worries. Consider what the Coriolis forces will do to his beating heart, his blood circulation and his lungs, if he dares "breathe normally". 🤮
I've been on carnival rides and playground devices with similar rotation rates and survived.
 
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  • #36
somega said:
It's often said that you don't feel Earth rotation because the gravity acts against the centrifugal force.

Of course this is true but also your body is turned around once each 24 hours.

So I wonder on a planet which is rotating once each 3 seconds and has same g=9,81:

Would you feel the rotation?
I don't agree with your first sentence - it is wrong. Lots of things on Earth "feel" the Earth's rotation. It is just that the Earth's rotation is so slow so that you need something which takes a long time to see the effect.

1. See Foucault's Pendulum. It "feels" the Earth's rotation in as much as it remains oscillating in its initial direction which remains fixed with respect to the stars. The Earth rotates so the pendulum appears to rotate. Its direction of oscillation "rotates" once in 24 hours at the pole (actually - it does not rotate - it stays still and the easrth rotates below it!) and even more slowly at lower latitudes until it does not rotate at the equator.

2. When a battleship fires a shell north or south the aiming computer has to make an allowance for the Earth's rotation because, relative to Earth's surface, the shell travels in a curved path to the left or right depending on the hemisphere.

3. Look at a chart of ocean currents or winds. See how they all flow in circular paths - antii=-clockwise in the northern hemisphere and clockwise in the southern hemisphere. That is because of the Earth's rotation.

Do some research on Coriolis Force.

It is easy for you to model a planet rotating once every three seconds.

1. Find a playground with a child's roundabout.
2. Get on it and set it rotating at one turn every three seconds. You are now modelling standing close to the north pole of the planet.
3. Roll a ball radially towards the centre of rotation and observe that, relative to the roundabout/planet, the ball does not travel in a straight line. Bingo - you have observed that the roundabout/planet must be rotating.
4. Or stand up and try to kick towards the centre - you will think that an invisible gorilla grabs your leg and forces it sideways.

If you have one of those old fashoined things called a record player set it rotating and roll a small ball across the turntable. Notice how it does not follow a straight path relative to the turntable.
 
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  • #37
Frodo said:
Lots of things on Earth "feel" the Earth's rotation.

I think he doesn't mean "feel" but feel (without quotation marks). The question (at least to my understanding) is: Could you directly sense something with your own body - not indirectly by observation of other objects? For a rotational period of 24 h this is obviously not the case.
 
  • #38
If the poster sat on the bob of a Foucault pendulum they would see the floor below them rotating as they swung.
They might not feel it as the effect is rather small but they would certainly see it.
 

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