Do You Know Why Stars Have Different Colors?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why stars exhibit different colors, exploring various factors such as temperature, mass, chemical composition, and observational techniques. Participants engage with both theoretical and observational aspects of stellar color, including implications for understanding stellar properties and the challenges in measuring these colors accurately.

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  • Some participants assert that the color of stars is primarily due to their different temperatures, with hotter stars appearing blue and cooler stars appearing red.
  • Others argue that the color is also influenced by the chemical composition of stars, which affects the frequencies of light emitted.
  • One participant emphasizes that the mass of a main sequence star is a critical factor in determining its color, referencing the Russell-Vogt theorem.
  • There are claims that the original question about star colors is poorly posed, allowing for multiple valid interpretations and answers based on different contexts.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the perceived color of our own sun and question how this affects the determination of colors for distant stars.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the accuracy of color measurements from distant stars, including the limitations of observational instruments and the potential for various spectral influences.
  • Questions are posed about the methods used to differentiate between thermal spectra and other spectral lines, such as those from ionization or magnetic effects.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons behind the different colors of stars, with multiple competing views and interpretations remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the perceived color of stars can vary based on observational context and the instruments used, which may introduce uncertainty in measurements. Additionally, the discussion highlights the complexity of stellar color determination, including the influence of various physical phenomena.

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In the Letters section of the August issue of Physics Today, a reader claims that when he asks 'newly minted physics PhDs' to explain why stars have different colors, that 75% of them answer incorrectly. How would you answer the question?
 
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They are different temperatures. But unless you are asking someone who has had astronomy classes before, they may not realize that it's that simple, so the reader's claim may be correct, but irrelevant.
 
Newly minted physics PhDs all know about the Planck function for blackbody emission.
 
They are different temperatures with different frequencies (colors) of stars with various chemical compositions. Separate chem. comps give stars a wide spectrum of frequencies depending on the chemical composition of said star.
Stars possesses a wide array of temperatures from red (red is a low frequency on the spectrum and therefore red giants are relatively cool stars), to blue to voilet (these stars have high energy frequencies and are thus the hottest stars in the cosmos).
From this we can conclude that temperatures are proportionally related to a stars energy frequency, and vise-versa. So the color of a star is directly related to its energy frequency which astronomical spectroscopy is used to observe and deduce the frequencies, heat, energy, and therefore color of any observed star.
 
Sorry if I posted too much on this topic. I posted before reading the other responses and noticed everyone is trying to keep it simple. I will do this when possible from now on and not get too technical unless asked to. lol :)
 
It's strictly a function of mass for a main sequence star.
 
B.M.Gray said:
Sorry if I posted too much on this topic. I posted before reading the other responses and noticed everyone is trying to keep it simple. I will do this when possible from now on and not get too technical unless asked to. lol :)

Eh, it depends on the question asked and how much the person asking already knows.
 
There seems to be much uncertainty about the color of our own star, so how is it possible to be certain about the color of stars many light years away? I see white, yellow, blu-ish and even pink are suggested.
http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/colour/Tspectrum.html
Wouldn't an ND filter used on a regular camera, from the space station say, show the true color?
 
Solon said:
There seems to be much uncertainty about the color of our own star, so how is it possible to be certain about the color of stars many light years away? I see white, yellow, blu-ish and even pink are suggested.
http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/colour/Tspectrum.html
Wouldn't an ND filter used on a regular camera, from the space station say, show the true color?

There is no uncertainty of the spectrum of our own star. The uncertainty is in the perceived color, which will be different depending on who you ask and how you are looking at it.
Even digital cameras don't have the exact same standards for their bayer filters, so the color will be very slightly different.
When we talk about "star colors" we actually mean the spectrum that it emits. We are very easily able to measure this spectrum to a very very high accuracy.
 
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The original question is ill posed and can have correct answers on many levels. Since we're not given the alleged incorrect ones, I conclude (and without having read it) that it's a BS pop-sci article and each of the newly minted PhD's likely gave valid answers in the domain they understood the question to fall into.

Why do stars have different colors?

Here are some valid answers to the moronically contextless question:

Because the stars have widely varying masses with different nuclear cycles and energy outputs.

Because the Planck equation says that objects of different temperatures emit different spectra.

Because the human eye has sensors that respond differently to various wavelengths of light.

And on and on through wide swaths of nuclear chemistry, photometry, cosmology, psychology, ophthalmology, etc.


Let's ask newly minted journalism majors what makes popular science articles look different to various readers and see how many get the wrong answer.
 
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Chronos said:
It's strictly a function of mass for a main sequence star.

please correct me but would that be mass AND composition according to Russell-Vogt theorem?
 
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from http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast222/lectures/lec04.html

"Russell-Vogt Theorem:

Despite the range of stellar luminosities, temperatures and luminosities, there is one unifying physical parameter. And that is the mass of the star. Hot, bright stars are typically high in mass. Faint, cool stars are typically low in mass. This sole dependence on mass is so strong that it is given a special name, the Russell-Vogt Theorem.

The Russell-Vogt Theorem states that all the parameters of a star (its spectral type, luminosity, size, radius and temperature) are determined primarily by its mass. The emphasis on `primarily' is important since we will soon see that this only applies during the `normal' or hydrogen burning phase of a star's life. A star can evolve, and change its size and temperature. But, for most of the lifetime of a star, the Russell-Vogt Theorem is correct, mass determines everything."

The 'normal', hyrogen burning phase of a star's life is the main sequence phase.
 
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When we talk about "star colors" we actually mean the spectrum that it emits. We are very easily able to measure this spectrum to a very very high accuracy.

You make it sound easy, but from a quick look into how star colors are measured, it doesn't look so easy. I looked at this site to start with:
http://outreach.atnf.csiro.au/education/senior/astrophysics/photometry_colour.html
Then I looked at the SOLAR payload on board the ISS, the SOLSPEC experiment in particular:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/Solar-SOLSPEC.html
and a more detailed pdf file:
http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/news/2008ScienceMeeting/doc/Session1/S1_04_Thuillier.pdf
I'm no scientist so excuse my perhaps naive questions. SOLSPEC does have error margins, and needs regular calibration. It is also looking at the nearest star, so is quite large. The next nearest star though, and all the others, are only going to resolve to 1 pixel even from our most powerful instruments, aren't they? How can a similar accuracy be claimed? I'm not saying it can't, but if there is indeed an easy explanation, I'd be interested to know.
Secondly, if we are examining spectra, through filters, how is it determined that the spectra are thermal in origin rather than from ionisation of elements in a stars electric field? If we look through a red filter, how do we know that we are not seeing a Balmer line of hydrogen?
And lastly, what about Stark or Zeeman shifting, does those come into play in these measurements?
(Dons flak jacket and stands well back...)
 
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Solon said:
I'm no scientist so excuse my perhaps naive questions. SOLSPEC does have error margins, and needs regular calibration. It is also looking at the nearest star, so is quite large. The next nearest star though, and all the others, are only going to resolve to 1 pixel even from our most powerful instruments, aren't they?

No, to measure the spectrum of a star we use a spectrograph. This spreads the light out like a prism instead of focusing it onto one spot. Spectrographs must be calibrated of course, but that is not terribly difficult as far as I know.

Secondly, if we are examining spectra, through filters, how is it determined that the spectra are thermal in origin rather than from ionisation of elements in a stars electric field? If we look through a red filter, how do we know that we are not seeing a Balmer line of hydrogen?

A spectrograph shows you which wavelengths are being emitted and absorbed.

And lastly, what about Stark or Zeeman shifting, does those come into play in these measurements?
(Dons flak jacket and stands well back...)

Of course. The spectrum of a star is not a perfect black body, it will have all kinds of things that make it slightly different. These are all seen the in spectrum as different emission/absorption lines, broadening of the lines, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectroscopy
 

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