Does an impulse contribute to both linear and angular momentum?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between impulse, linear momentum, and angular momentum, particularly in the context of a sphere subjected to an impulse at its edge. Participants explore whether an impulse can be divided between changes in linear and angular momentum, and how these concepts relate to each other in terms of units and definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that an impulse applied to a sphere could result in both linear and angular momentum changes, raising questions about how the impulse is divided between these two forms.
  • Another participant points out that angular impulse is defined as torque times time, which has different units (Nms) compared to linear impulse (Ns), indicating that they are fundamentally different quantities and cannot be directly compared or combined.
  • A later reply acknowledges the distinction in units and proposes that if a force of magnitude F is applied, the linear impulse would be FΔt and the angular impulse would be FrΔt, suggesting a relationship between linear and angular impulses under certain conditions.
  • One participant confirms that this relationship holds true as long as the radius (r) remains constant during the application of the impulse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether linear and angular impulses can be treated as parts of the same phenomenon. While some acknowledge the relationship between them under specific conditions, there is no consensus on how to interpret the implications of this relationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of applying impulses in terms of their effects on linear and angular momentum, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in comparing these two types of momentum. The assumptions regarding the constancy of radius during the impulse application are also noted but not fully explored.

etotheipi
As an analogue, if 5J of work is done on an object then the linear KE might increase by 2J and the angular by 3J, so the work is divided between the linear and rotational forms.

Now suppose there is a sphere sliding on a frictionless surface. If an impulse of magnitude 1Ns is applied to the edge of the sphere (in a small enough time interval so that it can be considered to be in one direction only), does the impulse divide between change in linear and angular momentum?

If not, then for instance if the sphere is of radius 1m, the angular impulse is 1Ns and the linear impulse is also 1Ns, which means the 'overall' momentum of the sphere increases by 2Ns.

The question arises from a sort of similar situation in part b) of question A1 under this link https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2019/upload/USAPhO-2018-Solutions.pdf, where the same impulse of friction has been applied to both the rotational momentum and linear momentum separately instead of splitting up.

Sorry if I'm missing anything obvious.
 
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etotheipi said:
If not, then for instance if the sphere is of radius 1m, the angular impulse is 1Ns and the linear impulse is also 1Ns, which means the 'overall' momentum of the sphere increases by 2Ns.
Angular impulse would be torque times time, so the units would be Nms not Ns. So in this sense the situation between rotational KE and linear KE is very different. Both of those are different parts of the same thing with the same underlying units. But linear impulse and angular impulse are not parts of the same thing, they are different things with different units. You cannot add, subtract, split, or otherwise compare them.
 
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Dale said:
Angular impulse would be torque times time, so the units would be Nms not Ns. So in this sense the situation between rotational KE and linear KE is very different. Both of those are different parts of the same thing with the same underlying units. But linear impulse and angular impulse are not parts of the same thing, they are different things with different units. You cannot add, subtract, split, or otherwise compare them.

Right yes that was quite sloppy of me! I suppose then if the force is of magnitude F, we get a linear impulse of F \Delta t in addition to an angular impulse Fr \Delta t. Which means that if the linear impulse is \Delta p, the angular impulse is r \Delta p.
 
Yes, assuming ##r## is constant during the impulse.
 
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