Does anyone have an idea for a self-study syllabus?

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The discussion revolves around self-study strategies for quantum mechanics (QM), specifically focusing on how to effectively learn the material from Griffiths' textbook and the necessary mathematical foundations. Participants explore the challenges of mastering complex topics and seek advice on structuring their study approach.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for a structured syllabus based on Griffiths or Greiner for a quarter to two quarters of study.
  • Another participant inquires about the original poster's math and physics background to better tailor suggestions.
  • Some participants suggest using additional QM texts that provide more detailed mathematical explanations to complement Griffiths.
  • There is a mention of specific chapters in Griffiths that may be challenging, with one participant noting they have good notes on dual-spaces and Dirac notation.
  • Concerns are raised about the depth of understanding required for the material, with one participant questioning whether their current mathematical knowledge is sufficient.
  • Another participant notes that the material is becoming more difficult to comprehend, requiring more time to study.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to studying QM or the sufficiency of their mathematical background. Multiple views on the necessity of additional resources and the depth of study required remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the appropriate depth of study and the time commitment needed for mastering the material, indicating a lack of clear benchmarks for assessing mastery.

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A very odd question... But never-the-less I need some help w/ my personal QM studies.
I'm just a lowly freshman here at UCSB and suddenly discovered an urge to study quantum mechanics.

My roommate is a top-notch Physics grad working on his PhD, and he helps me with problem solving; but his teaching skills are garbage! (He hates teaching and refuses to do it).

I've been working out of Griffiths for about 2-3 weeks now, normalizing probability densities, solving simple problems like the infinite square-well. Suddenly I find the material getting much more difficult and I don't know how to approach learning it. Sure I can push through everything in my path, but I honestly don't know when I've studied it enough!

Anyone got some ideas about the duration of time I should be spending on each topic in Griffiths? I'm sure many will say that I should do it until I've mastered it, but I'm kind of looking for a practical university perspective on the subject; I have no way of knowing when I have or have not mastered the material!

Maybe outlining the math I should cover between sections would help me out a bit.

I have walls upon walls of Physics literature (I collect it... don't ask why...), so don't be afraid to recommend a book.

So far I've been using Boas 2nd edition for Math and Griffiths Intro to Quantum (vol 1) for the QM.

Ideally... (and I know it's a big request), if someone could outline a syllabus based on Griffiths or Greiner for about a quarter to 2 quarters worth of material, that would be absolutely wonderful. I would truly be in debt.

Thanks for the help in advance, guys.
 
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Since you're apparently trying to learn the necessary math along with the physics, you might try a QM book that goes into more detail on the math. For example, this one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0137479085/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I've used it for my QM course, with students whose math background tends to be shaky. It works out a lot of stuff explicitly and discusses problem-solving strategies. Some might say it goes too far in that direction, and in fact I sometimes have trouble finding a specific topic because there's so much detail. But you also have Griffiths which you can use for the "big picture."
 
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Hmm Griffith's QM, let me guess, is it chapter 3 that is hard for you?
 
Chapter 3 isn't too bad, I have a very good set of notes on dual-spaces and Dirac notation.

I'm not having a hard time with the math; I just feel like I'm not going into great enough depths.
 
jtbell said:
Since you're apparently trying to learn the necessary math along with the physics, you might try a QM book that goes into more detail on the math. For example, this one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0137479085/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I've used it for my QM course, with students whose math background tends to be shaky. It works out a lot of stuff explicitly and discusses problem-solving strategies. Some might say it goes too far in that direction, and in fact I sometimes have trouble finding a specific topic because there's so much detail. But you also have Griffiths which you can use for the "big picture."

Holy crap I had this guy for my thermo class. Great guy, he won't let you leave his class without learning the material. Weird thing is, a lot of students dislike him BECAUSE he tries to be so helpful. He's also a join professor in the English department here at OU.
 
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DavidAlan said:
Chapter 3 isn't too bad, I have a very good set of notes on dual-spaces and Dirac notation.

I'm not having a hard time with the math; I just feel like I'm not going into great enough depths.



Suddenly I find the material getting much more difficult and I don't know how to approach learning it.

What specifically is giving you trouble?
 
I'm having trouble approaching how to learn the material. I can essentially learn anything I read, the problem sets have seemed rather easy thus far.

I'd like to know points to pay close attention to, or maybe points I should seek a greater depth of understanding in beyond Griffiths. Maybe understanding enough math for Griffiths isn't enough, should I seek further knowledge at this introductory phase? Can I lay back on some topics?

Maybe I should just do all of Griffiths... But that's inconceivable for a summers work (it took me 3 weeks working 4-5 hours a day to pile-drive through the first 3 chapters and understand).
 
When I said that the material is getting more difficult, I was meaning to imply that it is taking greater lengths of time to comprehend.
 

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