Does c(t) = ((1+t,0),(0,1+t)) Provide a Counterexample on p.85 of Spivak's Book?

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The discussion revolves around a problem from Spivak's book regarding continuous mappings and the properties of bases in R^n. Participants are examining whether a specific function, c(t) = ((1+t,0),(0,1+t)), serves as a counterexample to a statement about the preservation of orientation in continuously varying bases.

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  • One participant questions whether the function c(t) provides a counterexample to the statement about the equality of determinants at the endpoints of the interval.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the notation used in the problem, specifically the orientation defined by the basis, and argues that a continuously varying basis cannot change orientation.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the notation, indicating that the participant had difficulty distinguishing between absolute value and the bracket notation used in the text.
  • Further comments suggest the importance of supporting the author by purchasing a proper copy of the book for clarity.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the proposed function is a valid counterexample. There are competing interpretations of the notation and its implications for the problem.

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Limitations include potential misinterpretations of the notation and the implications of the properties of determinants in the context of continuously varying bases.

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Please forgive any stupid mistakes I've made.

On p.85, 4-5:

If c: [0,1] \rightarrow (R^n)^n is continuous and each (c^1(t),c^2(t),...,c^n(t)) is a basis for R^n, prove that
|c^1(0),...,c^n(0)| = |c^1(1),...,c^n(1)|.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but doesn't c(t) = ((1+t,0),(0,1+t)) provide a counterexample to the statement when n=2?
 
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have you read the section preceding the problem, specifically the definition of the notation [v1,...vn]? the bracket notation refers to the orientation defined by the basis. so the problem is to prove that a continuously varying basis cannot change orientation. this is easy since the determinant cannot change sign without being zero in between.

you have misrepresented the bracket notation as absolute value, at least according to my copy of spivak.
 
I see. I have a (poor) photocopy of this section, and I can't distinguish between absolute value and the brackets you mentioned. Thank you for clarifying.
 
i suggest you buy one. then the author makes a few bucks, or maybe a nickel, i believe he told me once.
 
Spivak most definitely deserves some of your money. Possibly most of it.
 

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