Does chilled water contains Deuterium?

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The discussion revolves around the presence of deuterium in chilled water and its potential health effects. Participants explore the distinction between heavy water and hard water, the natural abundance of deuterium, and the implications of consuming water containing this isotope.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that chilled water contains deuterium, which is a naturally occurring isotope of hydrogen, and that all water, regardless of temperature, contains small amounts of it.
  • One participant mentions a newspaper article claiming that deuterium in chilled water is harmful, expressing skepticism about this assertion.
  • Another participant provides information on the natural abundance of deuterium in Earth's oceans and its presence in human biology, emphasizing that it constitutes a very small fraction of hydrogen.
  • Some participants argue that deuterium is not radioactive and does not pose health risks at the natural levels found in water, while acknowledging that it behaves slightly differently than ordinary hydrogen due to its mass.
  • A later reply discusses the "kinetic isotope effect," noting that while deuterium behaves similarly to ordinary hydrogen, it can affect reaction rates and that high concentrations of heavy water could be harmful, although such levels are not a concern in typical consumption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that deuterium is present in all water and that it does not pose a health risk at natural levels. However, there is some debate about the implications of the kinetic isotope effect and the conditions under which deuterium could be harmful.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes varying interpretations of the health implications of deuterium and the conditions under which it may pose risks, highlighting the need for careful consideration of dosage and context.

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I have heard that chilled water contains hard water. ie in the H2O contains another isotope of Hydrogen with a neutron.

Is it true? If so, how it might affect our health if we drink?
 
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Don't confuse hard water with heavy water

And don't believe everything you hear.
 
Sorry I meant heavy water only. There was an article in a newspaper which stated that the deuterium in the chilled water is harmful to health. I haven't believed it. That's why I posted my question here...
 
From the wikipedia article:
Deuterium has a natural abundance in Earth's oceans of about one atom in 6420 of hydrogen. Thus deuterium accounts for approximately 0.0156% (or on a mass basis 0.0312%) of all the naturally occurring hydrogen in the oceans, while the most common isotope (hydrogen-1 or protium) accounts for more than 99.98%.
All water cold, hot, or in vapor has deuterium. We have lots of hydrogen atoms in us humans as well. Proteins, carbohydrates, fats, and a whole raft of other organic molecules in us contain hydrogen. 1 in 6420 of those hydrogen atoms in you right now - is deuterium.

Where in the world did you read this bit about cold water?
 
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It was published in a Tamil newspaper in India. The author is a school science teacher. In a few day's time, the second part is due!
 
Any sample of water, chilled or not, will contain a very small quantity of deuterium.
Deuterium is not radioactive and it behaves chemically in the same way as ordinary hydrogen.
I have never heard of it posing a health risk, and could find nothing relevant online.
 
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Hope that your child is not one of that teacher's students. :smile:
 
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Any sample of water, chilled or not, will contain a very small quantity of deuterium.
Deuterium is not radioactive and it behaves chemically in the same way as ordinary hydrogen.
I have never heard of it posing a health risk, and could find nothing relevant online.

While I absolutely agree that deuterium in the amounts that are found naturally in water is absolutely not harmful, it is not quite true to say that it behaves chemically the same way as ordinary hydrogen or poses no health risks. As with everything, the dose makes the poison.

Deuterium behaves a bit differently to ordinary hydrogen basically due to the fact that it's double the mass of ordinary hydrogen. This changes the kinetics of the chemical bond slightly, changing the reaction rate. This is the "kinetic isotope effect" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_isotope_effect), and it's true for all isotopes but most dramatic for deuterium. This is actually exploited in drug manufacture: deuterated drugs have longer half-lives.
See: http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v15/n4/full/nrd.2016.63.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4579527/
https://www.chemistryworld.com/feature/2heavy-drugs-gaining-momentum/1010186.article

Now, as to the health risk: because of this same kinetic isotope effect, vastly increasing the amount of heavy water - to about 50/50 - in your body will harm you. This is deuterium toxicity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water#Effect_on_biological_systems However, that's such an absurdly large amount of heavy water it's not a worry.

I'm saying this because it's quite an interesting effect, but as I said before, the dose makes the poison so the OP should not worry about the tiny amounts of deuterium found naturally in water.
 
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