Does derivative of wave function equal zero at infinity?

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The discussion centers around the behavior of the derivative of a wave function, specifically whether the derivative of the wave function, dψ/dx, approaches zero as x approaches infinity, given that the wave function itself, ψ, goes to zero at infinity. The scope includes theoretical considerations in quantum mechanics and calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if ψ approaches zero as x goes to infinity, then dψ/dx must also approach zero, provided that ψ and its first derivative are well-behaved.
  • Others suggest that counterexamples exist, such as cases where the amplitude goes to zero while the frequency approaches infinity, particularly when considering potentials.
  • A participant mentions that a function like ##\frac{sin(x^2)}{x}## could serve as a counter-example to the general case.
  • One participant emphasizes that the formalism of Rigged Hilbert Spaces imposes stronger conditions on wave functions, suggesting that they should be continuously differentiable and decay sufficiently fast at infinity.

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Participants express differing views on whether dψ/dx must go to zero at infinity, with some supporting the idea under certain conditions while others provide counterexamples, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Limitations include assumptions about the behavior of wave functions and their derivatives, as well as the potential introduction of different mathematical frameworks that may affect the conclusions drawn.

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I understand that ψ goes to zero as x goes to infinity. Is it also true that dψ/dx must go to zero as x goes to infinity?
 
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I can't think of any counter examples.
 
It is true as long as ##\psi## and its first deriviative are well-behaved (differentiable, both limits exist, ...). This is a fun old calculus problem - you can prove it by contradiction from the mean value theorem.
 
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Nugatory said:
It is true as long as ##\psi## and its first deriviative are well-behaved (differentiable, both limits exist, ...). This is a fun old calculus problem - you can prove it by contradiction from the mean value theorem.
Yes, so a counterexample would e.g. be let amplitude go to zero but frequency to infinity. This would be possible if potentials were introduced.
 
Yes. And that it goes to zero at infinity is a general assumption of physically realisable wavefunctions.

The correct formalism for QM is what's known as Rigged Hilbert Spaces and the restriction that's often imposed is somewhat stronger in the sense of being continuously differentiable and goes to zero fast enough. They are called good functions:
http://euclid.ucc.ie/pages/staff/thomas/AM2071/Notes/S3notes2011.pdf

It makes many things a lot simpler such as being able to rigorously define the Dirac Delta function and Fourier transforms become a snap with the usual issues of convergence etc a piece of cake.

Knowledge of this stuff really belongs in the toolkit of any applied mathematician in just about any area, not just QM. I stronly recommend the following book:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521558905/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Thanks
Bill
 
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A function based on ##\frac{sin(x^2)}{x}## would be a counter-example for the general case.
 
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