Does Earth's Elliptical Orbit Affect Time Dilation Due to Gravity?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion explores whether Earth's elliptical orbit around the Sun affects time dilation due to gravity, focusing on the variations in time experienced at different points in the orbit, particularly in relation to the Sun's gravitational influence.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if Earth experiences varying degrees of time dilation due to gravity at different points in its elliptical orbit, specifically asking if time is slower in January when closest to the Sun compared to June when farthest.
  • Another participant suggests that time on Earth does run slower in January compared to June as perceived by distant observers, but emphasizes the need for a clear definition of "slow relative to what."
  • A further contribution highlights the complexity of comparing clock time on Earth to a distant clock, especially if that clock is in the plane of the ecliptic, due to the effects of orbital motion.
  • One participant proposes a thought experiment involving a ring of clocks initiated simultaneously along Earth's orbit, questioning whether they would all display the same time after a year, considering only gravitational effects.
  • A response indicates that clocks at perihelion would lag behind those at aphelion, suggesting that gravitational time dilation would lead to differences in time displayed by these clocks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of gravitational time dilation in relation to Earth's orbit, with no consensus reached on the overall effects or the specifics of the comparisons being made.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about frames of reference and the nature of gravitational time dilation, which may not be fully resolved or defined within the conversation.

nitsuj
Messages
1,387
Reaction score
98
Relative some arbitrary point in Earth’s orbit around the Sun, does Earth experience varying degrees of time dilation specifically from gravity?

With Earth's orbit around the sun being elliptical I wondered if Earth experiences varying degrees of time dilation caused by the suns gravity (or moon for those cycles).

For example in January we are closest to the sun and farthest in June.

Is time slower in January relative to June.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Generally, the answer to your question is yes, with some caveats and clarifications. First, note that speed varies along the orbit. However, this adds to the gravitational time dilation (faster when closer), so competing effects don't need to be balanced - instead they add to each other. More important, the question really has no meaning without a definition of 'slow relative to what'? Locally, you measure no changes at all.

However, if ones asks what is the total redshift of signals you send, when received by an observer at infinity (assuming asymptotic flatness), you have a well specified question. With this clarification, you could say time on Earth runs slower in January compared to June as perceived by observers at infinity (or, for practical purposes, distant radial observers).
 
Last edited:
I'd like to add one more caveat about this. If you ask about clock time on Earth compared to a single distant clock, the situation is more complex if the distant clock is in the plane of the ecliptic - orbital motion towards and away from that clock would become significant.

So, to get a reasonably simple statement you could say: Compared to a distant clock on a line through the sun, perpendicular to the ecliptic, time on Earth would be slower in January than in June.
 
PAllen said:
I'd like to add one more caveat about this. If you ask about clock time on Earth compared to a single distant clock, the situation is more complex if the distant clock is in the plane of the ecliptic - orbital motion towards and away from that clock would become significant.

So, to get a reasonably simple statement you could say: Compared to a distant clock on a line through the sun, perpendicular to the ecliptic, time on Earth would be slower in January than in June.
So if I get what your saying, I forgot to mention a frame of reference?

What about a ring of clocks, initiated simultaneously, all along Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun, do they all display the same time after a year? (just gravity)
 
Last edited:
nitsuj said:
So if I get what your saying, I forgot to mention a frame of reference?

What about a ring of clocks, initiated simultaneously, all along Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun, do they all display the same time after a year? (just gravity)

Yes, that would just measure gravitational time dilation differences for 'hovering observers' (note these are a special class of non-inertial observers; the orbiting Earth is inertial - excluding its rotation). You would indeed see the clocks at perihelion fall behind the other clocks, with the one at aphelion being most in the lead.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
7K
  • · Replies 79 ·
3
Replies
79
Views
6K
  • · Replies 58 ·
2
Replies
58
Views
8K
  • · Replies 62 ·
3
Replies
62
Views
7K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
8K
  • · Replies 65 ·
3
Replies
65
Views
13K
  • · Replies 58 ·
2
Replies
58
Views
7K
  • · Replies 47 ·
2
Replies
47
Views
5K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
4K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
4K