Does Electromagnetic radiation travel faster than the speed of light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the speed of electromagnetic radiation (EMR) and its relationship to the speed of light, particularly in a vacuum. Participants explore concepts related to wave behavior, the nature of light, and the characteristics of electromagnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that EMR travels faster than light due to the wave path being longer than a straight line, questioning if this conclusion is valid.
  • Another participant points out that light is a form of electromagnetic radiation, suggesting that they cannot travel at different speeds.
  • A participant attempts to clarify the nature of light as a wave, arguing that it does not follow a longer path than a straight line and that wave packets should not be viewed as traveling differently.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the electric and magnetic fields in light waves, with one participant questioning if the wave part moves in the direction of flight, while others clarify that the fields are perpendicular to the direction of propagation.
  • One participant challenges a claim about the energy dynamics in light waves, stating that the electric and magnetic fields are in phase rather than alternating in energy expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between EMR and the speed of light, with no consensus reached. There are also disagreements regarding the nature of wave behavior and the characteristics of electromagnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific interpretations of wave behavior and definitions of light and electromagnetic radiation, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of waves and fields that are not fully resolved.

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Please feel free to move this to the correct forum.

After doing some reading, I've found that Electromagnetic radiation travels at the speed of light in a vacuum. EMR also travels in the path of a wave. Whereas, light and/or light photons travel in the path of a straight line.

Having said that, the path of the wave will have a greater distance of travel from point A to point B than would a straight line. Therefore, I have to conclude that Electromagnetic radiation actually travels faster than the speed of light, at least in a vacuum.

Would this be true..?
 
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Light IS electromagnetic radiation...how can the two travel at different speeds?
 
Matterwave is correct, however I believe your misunderstanding comes from a deeper problem with the way you are looking at this.

Light as a wave is not a wave like the circular waves on a pond, it is a condensed area which exhibits wave behavior (my terminology here is sloppy, wikipedia 'wave packet' for a better understanding), waves (and wave packets) would not travel a greater distance than a straight line, why would they?
 
buzzdiamond said:
After doing some reading, I've found that Electromagnetic radiation travels at the speed of light in a vacuum. EMR also travels in the path of a wave. Whereas, light and/or light photons travel in the path of a straight line.

Having said that, the path of the wave will have a greater distance of travel from point A to point B than would a straight line. Therefore, I have to conclude that Electromagnetic radiation actually travels faster than the speed of light, at least in a vacuum.
You seem to think radiation follows a "wavy path" rather than a "straight path". It doesn't. The wave is the radiation, and the wave moves in a straight line in empty space.

You do know, don't you, that "light" is just the name we give to electromagnetic radiation within a particular range of frequencies and that all forms of electromagnetic radiation are composed of photons?
 
Is it correct to say that the "wave" part is not moving in the direction of flight at all? They are fields at right angles to one another which alternately express the energy of the photon in its electric field and magnetic field perpendicular to the direction of flight (alternating at a frequency proportional to the energy).

Or is that too much of a classical view?
 
They are fields at right angles to one another
And they (or, alternatively, their positions) move with the speed of light.
 
They are fields at right angles to one another which alternately express the energy of the photon in its electric field and magnetic field
This is not correct. The energy does not alternate back and forth between the electric and magnetic fields. The electric and magnetic fields in a light wave are in phase, reaching their peak value at the same time, and simultaneously falling to zero at a later time.
 

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