Does heat affect the mass of an object?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether heat affects the mass of an object, particularly in the context of an experiment involving a copper cathode. Participants explore the relationship between temperature, heat, and mass, as well as the implications for measuring weight in a non-vacuum environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their teacher emphasized the importance of cooling the copper before weighing it, prompting questions about the effect of temperature on weight.
  • Another participant suggests that according to E=mc², temperature relates to kinetic energy and thermal energy flow, which might imply that increasing temperature could decrease mass, although they express uncertainty about this application of the equation.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of specific heat capacity, noting that it assumes mass remains constant, which does not directly explain any potential mass change due to heating.
  • There is a consideration that while mass may not increase, weight could be affected, and one participant mentions the role of conduction waves in this context.
  • Another participant references the formula for weight (Fweight = M * G) and suggests that if mass were to increase, weight would also increase, while also mentioning the potential impact of convection currents in a non-vacuum environment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the relationship between heat, mass, and weight, but there is no consensus on whether heat affects mass or weight, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for more details about the experimental setup and the conditions under which measurements were taken, indicating that assumptions about the environment (e.g., non-vacuum conditions) may influence the discussion.

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Recently our Physics teacher did a demo with us on anodes and cathodes to determine the electric charge on an electron. During a certain part of the demo, he had to dry the copper cathode to determine the difference in weight. He then told us it was very important tat he waited until the copper had cooled before he massed it again. He asked us why, but none of the class could figure out why. So he told us to go home and research it on the internet. I have been, but I have seen both yes's and no's about whether the temperature would affect the weight. Can someone explain to me why ou would have to wait to weigh the copper again?
 
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Consider my idea, Maybe it is because E=MC^2, tempature is a measurement of kinetic energy and heat is the flow of thermal energy so they are all related. So if you increase the tempature or TE then would it not cause the mass to decrease? Do not believe me without verifaction though because I have only used the E=MC^2 equation to calculate binding energy, I am not too familiar of its applications. Furthermore I know that the specific heat of an object is based off its mass and other properties, here is the equation for specific heat capacity
C(specific Heat Capacity)=Q(heat in joules)/M(mass kg)*ChangeTemp(Kelvins or celsius)
but the equation would not explain the mass changing, it assumes that the mass is constant for that heat capacity and describes "how much energy it would take to heat 1kg of a substance by one kelvin or celsius")
 
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Consider my idea, Maybe it is because E=MC^2, tempature is a measurement of kinetic energy and heat is the flow of thermal energy so they are all related. So if you increase the tempature or TE then would it not cause the mass to decrease? Do not believe me without verifaction though because I have only used the E=MC^2 equation to calculate binding energy, I am not too familiar of its applications. Furthermore I know that the specific heat of an object is based off its mass and other properties, here is the equation for specific heat capacity
C(specific Heat Capacity)=Q(heat in joules)/M(mass kg)*ChangeTemp(Kelvins or celsius)
but the equation would not explain the mass changing, it assumes that the mass is constant for that heat capacity and describes "how much energy it would take to heat 1kg of a substance by one kelvin or celsius")

yes, that sort of makes sense, I was thinking maybe it doesn't increase the mass, but the weight? Also maybe something to do with conduction waves... I'm not sure, he's supposed to tell us the next time we meet for class but it's just itching at me I want to know why
 
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yes, that sort of makes sense, I was thinking maybe it doesn't increase the mass, but the weight? Also maybe something to do with conduction waves... I'm not sure, he's supposed to tell us the next time we meet for class but it's just itching at me I want to know why
I know the feeling haha, remember Fweight=M(mass kg)*G(gravity 9.81m/s^2 on earth), so if mass increased Fw would increase. If we are not in a vacuum then convection currents could cause the mass to change. Please describe the setup of the experiment in more detail, what happened before and then after the change in mass?
 
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