Does Ignoring Work Done by Gravity Affect Calculations in Work-Energy Problems?

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The discussion centers on the confusion surrounding the application of the work-energy principle in physics, specifically regarding the role of gravitational work in calculations. The equation \(\Sigma W = \Delta KE + \Delta PE\) is highlighted, with emphasis on the need to consider gravitational work (\(W_g\)) and applied work (\(W_{app}\)) separately. The participant concludes that one cannot simultaneously account for both gravitational work and potential energy change in the same calculation, as demonstrated in the homework problem involving a constant force acting on a box moving up a frictionless ramp.

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Basically my instructor is confusing the heck out of me because I highly dislike how this course is structured. I dislike how in this specific chapter we are not taught:

\SigmaW = \DeltaEnergy

However, using this equation and my previous knowledge I can't seem to get the right answer in the following problem unless I assume there is no \DeltaPE which isn't true since \Deltaheight = .150

When using the relationship you see below, do we assume that the Work done by gravity doesn't exist since we compensate for it under the change in potential energy?

Homework Statement


In Figure 7-32, a constant force of magnitude 82.0 N is applied to a 3.00 kg shoe box at angle f = 53.0°, causing the box to move up a frictionless ramp at constant speed. How much work is done on the box by when the box has moved through vertical distance h = 0.150 m??


2. Homework Equations

http://www.lowellphysics.org/beta/T...rk/Problems/c07x7_11.xform_files/nw0314-n.gif

\SigmaW = \DeltaEnergy
\SigmaW = \DeltaKE + \DeltaPE
Wg + Wapp = 0(constant speed) + \DeltaPE

Wg + Wapp = \DeltaPE


3. The Attempt at a Solution

Using the above formula:
Wg + Wapp = \DeltaPE

Wg + Wapp = (3)(g)(\Deltaheight)
Wg + Wapp = (3)(g)(-.15)
Wg + Wapp = -4.4145

Wg = F * d * cos\Phi
Wg = mg * (.15) * cos(0)
Wg = (3)(9.81) * (.15)
Wg = 4.4145

Wapp = F * d * cos\Phi
Wapp = 82cos53 * (.15) * cos0
Wapp = 7.4

This relationship doesn't make any sense...
4.41 + 7.4 \neq -4.4145

Basically, if I assume that there is no change in potential energy, however, the answer does end up coming out right... kinda of.
 
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Hi RoganSarine! :smile:

(have a phi: φ and a delta: ∆ and a sigma: ∑ :wink:)
RoganSarine said:
Wg + Wapp = 0(constant speed) + \DeltaPE

Nooo :redface:

potential energy is just another name for (minus) work done by a conservative force.

You can either use Wg or use ∆PE, but not both! :smile:
 

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