Work Question involving Cheese, an elevator, and a cable

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving work, forces, and acceleration in the context of an elevator system with a block of cheese. Participants are analyzing the forces acting on the cheese and the elevator as they move upward.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the normal force, gravitational force, and tension in the cable. There is an exploration of how to calculate the acceleration of the elevator and its effect on the forces acting on the cheese.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints regarding the need to find the acceleration of the elevator to better understand the forces involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply Newton's second law to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the elevator's acceleration on the forces acting on the cheese, and there is a mention of the need to clarify the conditions under which the normal force is defined.

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Homework Statement


•••23 In Figure 7-34, a 0.250 kg block of cheese lies on the floor of a 900 kg elevator cab that is being pulled upward by a cable through distance d1 = 2.40 m and then through distance d2 = 10.5 m. (a) Through d1, if the normal force on the block from the floor has constant magnitude FN = 3.00 N, how much work is done on the cab by the force from the cable? (b) Through d2, if the work done on the cab by the (constant) force from the cable is 92.61 kJ, what is the magnitude of FN?

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Homework Equations


Fn = Sum of forces down - Sum of forces up?
Wft = F*d*cos0


The Attempt at a Solution


Fn = 900g + .25g - Ft
3 = 900g + .25g
3 - (900 + .25)g = - Ft
Ft = 8828.5

WFt= 8828.5 (2.4) = 21188.4 J

Answer: 25900 J
 
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RoganSarine said:
Fn = Sum of forces down - Sum of forces up?
Only if the acceleration is zero.

The Attempt at a Solution


Fn = 900g + .25g - Ft
3 = 900g + .25g
3 - (900 + .25)g = - Ft
Ft = 8828.5

WFt= 8828.5 (2.4) = 21188.4 J
I don't understand what you're doing here. Hint: Find the acceleration of the elevator by analyzing the forces on the cheese.
 
How does the acceleration help me though?

Find the acceleration of the cheese to use in the elevator system using

F = ma

And then solve for tension that way?
 
Exactly. The cheese and the elevator have the same acceleration.
 

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