Does Inserting a Dielectric Affect Voltage and Ground Resistivity?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of inserting a dielectric material between the plates of a capacitor, specifically focusing on how this insertion influences voltage, capacitance, charge, and energy. Participants also explore the concept of ground resistivity in relation to electrical safety and current flow.

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  • Some participants propose that inserting a dielectric increases capacitance, allowing for either a greater charge at constant voltage or the same charge at reduced voltage.
  • Others argue that if a capacitor is disconnected from a power supply when a dielectric is inserted, the charge remains constant, leading to a decrease in voltage.
  • There is a question regarding the relationship between dielectric materials and energy, voltage, and how these quantities change when a dielectric is introduced.
  • One participant notes that the phenomenon of polarization in dielectrics contributes to changes in voltage, capacitance, and energy, while charge remains unchanged.
  • Regarding ground resistivity, some participants suggest that ground is generally considered a good conductor due to its large cross-sectional area, but the reasons for its lower resistivity compared to other materials, like the human body, are questioned.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of inserting a dielectric, particularly concerning voltage changes and the conservation of charge. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact relationships between dielectric properties and electrical quantities, as well as the comparative resistivity of ground versus other materials.

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Participants reference concepts such as charge conservation and polarization effects, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about circuit configurations and the specific conditions under which these effects are observed.

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1) When we insert dielectric between plates, plates can "hold" a greater quantity of charge since capacitance is increased.

But when capacitance increases, does it require that voltage decreases? (From the formula C = Q/V, capacitance and charge could increase while voltage remains constant.)

But voltage V = PE/Q. If Q increases due to greater capacitance, then voltage would have to decrease. But in a given circuit, if the voltage source remains the same before and after inserting the dielectric, I don't understand how the voltage could change.

2) Also, why is the "ground," as a generality, considered less resistant than other materials. How are we sure of this? For instance, when using a defibrillator, administrators need to elevate the patient off the ground lest the current "skip" the patients' heart. But why is the ground's resistivity invariably so low compared to human body's, building materials of a house?

Thanks for helping to clarify.
 
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1, Correct, adding a dielectric allows you to either a, store the same charge with lower voltage or b, store a greater charge with the same voltage. Snce in proactice the voltage is usually a fixed part of the design a dielectric allows you to store more charge in a smaller space.
If the capacitor is no longer connected to the supply when you insert the dielectric then as the charge cannot change ( charge is conserved) the voltage will drop. If it is still connected to the supply then more charge will flow into the capacitor.

2, The ground is a good conductor because it's cross sectional area is rather large.
 
1. What is the relationship between dielectric and
a. Energy
b. Voltage
as in how the prescence of a dielectric affects the Energy and voltage?? (increases, decreases etc) and please explain

2. Why is it that when a parallel plate capacitor is charged and then a dielectric slab is introduced btween it. Voltage, Capacitance and Energy change but charge remains unchanged?
 
ram456 said:
1. What is the relationship between dielectric and
a. Energy
b. Voltage
as in how the prescence of a dielectric affects the Energy and voltage?? (increases, decreases etc) and please explain

2. Why is it that when a parallel plate capacitor is charged and then a dielectric slab is introduced btween it. Voltage, Capacitance and Energy change but charge remains unchanged?

All of this is associated with the phenomenon of polarization in a dielectric. An applied electric field across a dielectric induces dipole moments in the dielectric's molecules. That is, charge separation occurs because the Lorentz force on positive and negative charges act in opposite directions. These dipole moments also create their own secondary fields. The effects of these dipole moments and their associated fields are the cause for the changes in voltage, capacitance, energy and total fields. You can find more about these by looking in any undergraduate electrodynamics text like Griffiths.
 

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