Does it take two forces to deform an object?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether two forces are necessary to deform an object, particularly in the context of impacts, such as a piece of space junk colliding with another object in space. Participants explore the mechanics of deformation, inertia, and the nature of forces involved in high-velocity impacts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of a second force in the deformation of an object, using the example of space junk impacting another object.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that two external forces are required, citing a slow-motion video of a bat hitting a ball as evidence that deformation can occur with a single force.
  • There is a reference to the action-reaction principle, suggesting that forces may be interrelated in the context of impacts.
  • A participant notes that inertia plays a significant role in high-rate processes, implying that the dynamics of the impact are complex.
  • One participant explains that the force from the impacting object and the resulting acceleration of the object being hit can be viewed as two forces, framing it in terms of Newton's second law (F = ma).
  • It is mentioned that typical space junk moves at high velocities, which affects how deformation occurs, with the impact being rapid and localized.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether two forces are necessary for deformation, with some arguing for a single force perspective and others providing explanations that involve multiple forces. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of two forces in the context of deformation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of forces and the conditions under which deformation occurs, particularly in high-velocity impacts. There are also references to the effects of inertia and the rapidity of impacts, which may not be fully explored.

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I have a question - if 2 forces are required to deform an object then why does a piece of space junk impacting an object in space cause deformation? What is the second force?
 
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Who says it takes two (external) forces to deform an object? Just look at a slow-motion video of bat hitting a ball.
 
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Action and Reaction ?? :wink:
 
Ignoring the subtleties, inertia becomes dominant for high rate processes.
 
tomR said:
What is the second force?
Because ##F = ma##.
The first force is ##F##, the force applied by the impacting object.
The second force is ##ma##, or the mass of the object being hit multiplied by the acceleration of that object.

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inertia becomes dominant for high rate processes.
Typical space junk is moving roughly ten times the velocity of a high velocity rifle bullet. That's a high rate process. The whole impact happens so fast that only the material in the immediate vicinity of the impact is affected. Space junk impact is finished punching a hole (or crater) before the material away from the impact is affected by the impact force.
 
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