Does J go to inf when v goes to c?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of the four-current in special relativity (SR) as the velocity of a charged particle approaches the speed of light (c). Participants explore the implications of the SR Lagrangian for a charged particle and whether the current becomes infinite at relativistic speeds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the current becomes infinite as velocity approaches c, suggesting that the SR Lagrangian does not indicate this due to the absence of a gamma factor in the charge-velocity term.
  • Another participant confirms that the four-current equals the charge times the four-velocity, indicating agreement on this aspect.
  • A different participant proposes a modified Lagrangian that includes a gamma factor in the charge-velocity term, which is challenged by another participant who argues that the original Lagrangian is correct.
  • One participant explains that the original Lagrangian applies to a charged particle, noting that classical particles are point-like and do not contract, while also discussing how charge density and current density are perceived differently by relativistic and non-relativistic observers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement on the relationship between four-current and four-velocity, but disagreement exists regarding the correct form of the Lagrangian and the implications for current as velocity approaches c. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as charge density, current density, and the effects of relativistic contraction, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and implications of these terms in the context of the discussion.

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In SR, does the current become infinite when the velocity of the charge approaches c?

I'm thinking it doesn't because of the SR Lagrangian for a charged particle:
[tex]L = -\frac{m c^{2}}{\gamma} - q \phi + q \vec{v} \cdot \vec{A}[/tex]
doesn't have a gamma in the qv term.

Another way of putting this is: Does the four current equal the charge times the four velocity?

Thanks for your responses.
 
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Hi GiftOfPlasma! :wink:
GiftOfPlasma said:
Another way of putting this is: Does the four current equal the charge times the four velocity?

Yes. :smile:
 
So the Lagrangian should be:
[tex]L = -\frac{m c^{2}}{\gamma} - q \phi + q {\gamma} \vec{v} \cdot \vec{A}[/tex]

Thanks,
 
GiftOfPlasma said:
So the Lagrangian should be:
[tex]L = -\frac{m c^{2}}{\gamma} - q \phi + q {\gamma} \vec{v} \cdot \vec{A}[/tex]
No, it shouldn't. The original one is ok, but you've probably lost [tex]c[/tex] somewhere. I do not know what you mean by 4-current... 4-current density? If so recall that the volume is also contracted is SR.
 
Ok, I think I see what is going on, the original Lagrangian is for a charged particle.
The classical particle is always a point, so it doesn't contract.
Furthermore, the number of particles in a volume is the same in all reference frames.
The volume is contracted with respect to an observer moving relative to the volume.
So the relativistic observer sees a higher charge density and current density than a non-relativistic observer.

I found a good explanation here:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/jk1/lectures/node16.html"

Thanks for the effort.
 
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