Does Lorentz Factor Appear in General Relativity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of the Lorentz factor in general relativity (GR), particularly its applicability in non-flat spacetimes and its relationship with the stress-energy tensor. Participants explore whether the Lorentz factor can be used in various contexts within GR, including fluid dynamics and gravitational time dilation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the Lorentz factor is appropriate for use in GR, especially given that many derivations assume a flat metric.
  • One participant states that the Lorentz factor appears in local Lorentz coordinates but is generally not present in GR.
  • Another participant notes that while spacetime may not be flat due to the presence of mass-energy, local inertial frames can be treated as flat, allowing for the use of the Lorentz factor.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between gravitational and kinematic time dilation, suggesting that both contribute to phenomena like relativistic precession.
  • There is mention of specific formulas relating to gravitational time dilation and kinematic time dilation, indicating a complex interplay between these concepts in GR.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the notation used for metric tensor components and the implications for the Lorentz factor's role in GR.
  • Another participant highlights the distinction between gravitational mass and relativistic mass, suggesting that the former does not increase with velocity, which is a point of contention in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Lorentz factor in general relativity. While some argue it is relevant in certain contexts, others maintain that it is rarely applicable in GR. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which the Lorentz factor can be utilized in non-flat spacetimes.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mathematical formulations and concepts, indicating that assumptions about local inertial frames and the nature of spacetime may influence the applicability of the Lorentz factor. There are also unresolved questions about notation and definitions related to the metric tensor.

  • #31
... The reason I'm wondering about this is because where two bodies undergoing rectilinear motion, passing each other at high velocity, it seems non-intuitive that they could appear as black holes to each other (if the rest+kinetic energy vs. body volume ratio were adequate).
 
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  • #32
shalayka said:
... The reason I'm wondering about this is because where two bodies undergoing rectilinear motion, passing each other at high velocity, it seems non-intuitive that they could appear as black holes to each other (if the rest+kinetic energy vs. body volume ratio were adequate).
Your intuition is right, it won't become a black hole. It seems that people associate high intensity gravitational fields with black holes and that isn't really the case. Its possible to have a naked singularity in which case the intensity of the gravitational field increases without bound and yet there is no event horizon associated with it. An infinitely long mass filament is just such an object.

If you look carefully at that paper I sent you a link to you will see that the author addresses this very question.

Pete
 
  • #33
Correction: That last post was inaccurate:

Your intuition is right, it won't become a black hole. I don't understand why people would believe that it would. Granted that the intensity of the gravitational field will increase with an increase in velocity but an object which is not a black hold cannot become a black hole by a mere change in reference frames.

If you look carefully at that paper I sent you a link to you will see that the author addresses this very question.

Pete
 
  • #34
shalayka said:
... The reason I'm wondering about this is because where two bodies undergoing rectilinear motion, passing each other at high velocity, it seems non-intuitive that they could appear as black holes to each other (if the rest+kinetic energy vs. body volume ratio were adequate).
Recall that a black hole is an object whose mass resides entirely within a partcular surface. In the rest frame of the object this surface is a sphere as measured whose radius is less than or equal to the Schwarzschild radius. If that is true in one frame of reference then its true in all frames of reference.

How was the article? Did you find time to read it yet? I have a lot of articles on this whole topic of mass if you'd like to read any of them.

Pete
 
  • #35
Sorry Pete, I got sidetracked in a big way this week, so I didn't end up looking at the articles. :( I would love to read the ones you have on mass as well though! This week will be very quiet for me, so I will definitely have ample time then.
 

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