Does melting deteriorate the crystalline order?

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The discussion centers around the effects of melting on the crystalline properties and order of solids, with a focus on whether melting deteriorates these properties and how this relates to techniques like recrystallization. Participants explore the implications for Raman spectroscopy and the nature of crystalline structures.

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  • Some participants question whether melting deteriorates the crystalline properties and order of a solid, suggesting that different Raman spectra would be expected from solid and melted samples.
  • Others argue that recrystallization, rather than melting, is the relevant process, noting that the properties of recrystallized substances depend on various factors such as the original state and recrystallization conditions.
  • One participant mentions that recrystallization does not necessarily degrade crystal quality, citing the example of high-purity monocrystalline silicon being purified through melting techniques.
  • Another participant elaborates on the nature of crystals, explaining that most crystals consist of many small microscopic domains and that melting would alter the characteristics observed in Raman spectra, particularly affecting elastic powder peaks and inelastic excitations.
  • There is a mention of the challenges in crystal growth, particularly the process of forming a single crystal from a sintered powder through melting and cooling, which requires specialized equipment.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of melting versus recrystallization, with no consensus reached on whether melting deteriorates crystalline order. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effects of these processes on crystalline properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the processes involved, including the dependence on specific substances and conditions, as well as the nature of crystalline structures, which may not be uniform.

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I wonder if melting deteriorate the crystalline properties and order of a solid?
For example, one should expect to get 2 different Raman spectra from the solid and melted samples?
 
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I suppose you mean recrystallization rather than melting - obviously the molten (liquid) phase has very different properties! As for whether a recrystallized substance has different properties, that'd depend entirely on the substance, (and whether it has several phases, for instance), the original state and if the recrystallization conditions match the original crystallization conditions etc.

But recrystallization does not at all necessarily degrade the crystal. Often the contrary, which I'd almost have expected you to have known, with that username: The high-purity monocrystalline silicon used in solid-state applications is purified by repeatedly melting it! (Zone melting, which works through the fact that the impurities have a higher solubility in the liquid phase)
 
Si14 said:
I wonder if melting deteriorate the crystalline properties and order of a solid?
For example, one should expect to get 2 different Raman spectra from the solid and melted samples?

Well, if it is in a melted form then this is clearly different than the crystalline form. However, at the macroscopic level most crystals are not one big repeating single crystal. Rather, it is made of millions of small microscopic domains of aligned repeating unit cells that are randomly oriented. Often we refer to these crystals as "powders" even though they may be a hard chunk of whatever. Thus, a powder is isotropic in a very similar way as a liquid. A major distinction though would be that elastic powder peaks due to Bragg scattering would disappear upon melting and inelastic excitations would no longer be lattice dependent. Let alone the fact that a major shift in temperature will typically have considerable impact on measured spectra, regardless of the crystalline form. Especially when the temperature approaches the energy scale of the coupling energies driving the order in the system.

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alxm said:
I suppose you mean recrystallization rather than melting

Good point. I expect you meant recrystallized, not still melted. alxm covers this interpretation of the orginal post well so I won't add much, except to say that quite often crystal growers begin by forming a sintered powder then they melt and cool this powder back down so as to get a single crystal. This is actually quite difficult and typically require high specialized ovens such as a floating zone furnace.


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