Does observed light travel faster or slower than unobserved?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether observed light travels faster or slower than unobserved light, with a focus on the implications of quantum mechanics and experimental setups such as the double slit experiment.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the double slit experiment could be used to measure the average travel time of unobserved light, questioning if it travels at the same speed as observed light.
  • Another participant argues that the notion of light behaving differently when observed versus unobserved is based on outdated misconceptions and is not part of modern quantum mechanics.
  • A third participant expresses uncertainty about the value of testing the proposed experiment without a detailed description of the setup and measurements.
  • The same participant emphasizes the need for a thorough understanding of existing theories and previous experiments before determining the feasibility of new experiments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the validity of the initial premise about observed versus unobserved light, with some asserting that the concept is based on misconceptions while others explore the potential for experimental investigation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the clarity of experimental design and the assumptions underlying the initial question about light behavior. The need for a detailed understanding of quantum mechanics and previous experiments is highlighted.

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I realize that unobserved light it going to be difficult to measure, but could the double slit experiment be set up to give us an average air time for the particles? I find it hard to believe that a particle acting as a wave would travel at exactly the same speed as an observed one.
 
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You have been reading popularizations based on misconceptions from almost a century ago, before the modern theory of quantum mechanics was developed. The idea that things act as waves when they aren't observed and as particles when they are observed was abandoned long ago and is no part of the modern formalism of quantum mechanics.
 
So it's not worth testing out ..just-in-case?
 
scifimath said:
So it's not worth testing out ..just-in-case?
There's no way of saying whether the experiment is worth doing until until you have described it in detail: How are you setting things up, what are you going to measure when, what results does quantum mechanics predict for these measurements, how does your experiment differ from experiments that have already been done so that it's asking a new question?
Of course you cannot specify the last two until you know enough of the existing theory to calculate (quantitatively, not qualitatively!) what it says should happen and are familiar with the experiments that have already been done.

You started this thread at the I level, so you may be comfortable with something like Susskind's https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465062903/?tag=pfamazon01-20. That won't help so much with the details of the experiments that have already been done, but it will start you in on what quantum mechanics really says.
 
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