Transferring information faster than the speed of light?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of transferring information faster than the speed of light, using a thought experiment based on the double slit experiment and the implications of observation in quantum mechanics. It explores theoretical scenarios involving data storage and observation without reaching any conclusions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Person A's scenario suggests that if they destroy the memory stick containing unobserved data, Person B would see an interference pattern, implying a form of instantaneous information transfer.
  • Some participants argue that the photon detectors at the slits constitute an observation, and thus the memory stick does not allow for superluminal communication.
  • It is proposed that regardless of Person A's actions, Person B will observe the same pattern, indicating that the outcome does not depend on the choice made by Person A.
  • One participant mentions local interpretations of quantum mechanics, suggesting that these interpretations would not exist if local descriptions were impossible.
  • A participant emphasizes that storing data on the memory stick constitutes an observation, and thus the proposed scenario fails to allow for faster-than-light communication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the implications of the thought experiment. Some believe it suggests a method for faster-than-light communication, while others argue that the outcomes are independent of the observer's choices, indicating no such communication is possible.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of quantum mechanics and the role of observation, but does not resolve the nuances of the thought experiment or the interpretations of quantum mechanics involved.

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You perform a double slit experiment, detecting the photons at the slit, and storing, but not observing, that data on a memory stick. The pattern on the screen is also stored, but not observed.

Person A travels with the memory stick to New Zealand and person B travels to London with the unobserved screen. Person A then decides wheter to destroy the memory stick or to observe its data.

Person B then, as simultaneously as possible, observes the screen. As I understand it, as long as the memory stick still exists out there, observed yet or not, person B will see a particle pattern on the screen. But if person A destroys the data, person B will see an interference pattern. I suppose that when A makes his choice, B would instantly be able to see what that choice was when he observes the screen, no matter if the information about A:s choice has had time to reach B?

In that case there is a convenient way for us to transfer information faster than the speed of light, and we could start sending binary data instantly in this way over endless distances?
 
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The photon detectors at the slits are observations, if they in principle allow to record the information. And the memory stick does an observation. You don't need humans.

B will see the same no matter what you do with the memory stick. Two single-slit patterns in this case. Or a double-slit pattern if you detectors were broken and didn't do anything.
Even if you make a magical memory stick (delayed choice quantum eraser), the pattern someone sees never depends on the choice of others.

Another way to see this: there are local interpretations of quantum mechanics. Those would not exist if a local description would be impossible.
 
mfb:

If the data is destroyed before you observe it, you get an interference pattern. Watch this:
 
Watch the clip From 12:16 and onwards for a couple of minutes
 
Peter987 said:
mfb:

If the data is destroyed before you observe it, you get an interference pattern. Watch this:
But you do not destroy the data before it is observed. Storing it on the memory stick is an observation already. The memory stick would have to be some clever quantum memory in order to avoid observations. But even then the idea does not work.

This has been discussed thousands of times, and the Wikipedia article I linked to is a proper realization of what you want to do. No superluminal signal transfer.

By the way: I studied physics, I don't need youtube videos attempting to describe it to laypeople, thanks.
 
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I apologize. I got fooled by that clip
 

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