1. Not finding help here? Sign up for a free 30min tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Does One Need Linear Algebra 'before' Spivak's Calculus?

  1. Jun 24, 2009 #1
    So I am attempting to reteach myself Calculus with some rigor. So do I need Linear Algebra before Spivak's Calculus or along with? (Or at all?)

    Last edited: Jun 24, 2009
  2. jcsd
  3. Jun 24, 2009 #2


    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    That's an interesting question. I've seen advanced calculus taught with LA, with elements of LA and without LA. In my experience, Linear Algebra should be taught before or early in conjunction with calculus.

    Based on the other thread, I looked at some of my old (1970's) texts on advanced calculus: Wilfred Kaplan's (2/E) and Francis Hildebrand's Advanced Calculus texts. Kaplan's book has linear algebra in the first chapter, whereas Hildebrand's does not. Perhaps Hildebrand assumed that a science or engineering student at that point would have had a course in LA. I took a course in linear algebra during my second year at university.

    Advanced Calculus, 5/E
    Wilfred Kaplan, University of Michigan

    1. Vectors and Matrices.

    Vectors in Space.
    Linear Independence
    Lines and Planes.
    Simultaneous Linear Equations.
    Addition of Matrices
    Scalar Times Matrix.
    Multiplication of Matrices.
    Inverse of a Square Matrix.
    Gaussian Elimination.
    *Eigenvalues of a Square Matrix.
    *The Transpose.
    *Orthogonal Matrices.
    Analytic Geometry and Vectors n-Dimensional Space.
    *Axioms for Vn.
    Linear Mappings.
    Rank of a Matrix.
    *Other Vector Spaces.

    2. Differential Calculus of Functions of Several Variables.
    3. Vector Differential Calculus.
    4. Integral Calculus of Functions of Several Variables.
    5. Vector Integral Calculus.
    6. Infinite Series.
    7. Fourier Series and Orthogonal Functions.
    8. Functions of a Complex Variable.
    9. Ordinary Differential Equations.
    10. Partial Differential Equations.

    Advanced Calculus for Applications, 2/E
    Francis B. Hildebrand, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

    1. Ordinary Differential Equations.
    2. The Laplace Transform.
    3. Numerical Methods for Solving Ordinary Differential Equations.
    4. Series Solutions of Differential Equations; Special Functions. Boundary-Value Problems and Characteristic-Function Representations.
    5. Vector Analysis.
    6. Topics in Higher-Dimensional Calculus.
    7. Partial Differential Equations.
    8. Solutions of Partial Differential Equations.
    9. Solutions of Partial Differential Equations of Mathematical Physics.
    10. Functions of a Complex Variable.
    11. Applications of Analytic Function Theory.

    Compare those two books with Spivak's book and Tom Apostol's Mathematical Analysis: A Modern Approach to Advanced Calculus, 2/E
    (Tom M. Apostol, California Institute of Technology)

    1. The Real and Complex Number Systems.
    2. Some Basic Notions of Set Theory.
    3. Elements of Point Set Topology.
    4. Limits and Continuity.
    5. Derivatives.
    6. Functions of Bounded Variation and Rectifiable Curves.
    7. The Riemann-Stieltjes Integral.
    8. Infinite Series and Infinite Products.
    9. Sequences of Functions.
    10. The Lebesgue Integral.
    11. Fourier Series and Fourier Integrals.
    12. Multivariable Differential Calculus.
    13. Implicit Functions and Extremum Problems.
    14. Multiple Riemann Integrals.
    15. Multiple Lebesgue Integrals.
    16. Cauchy's Theorem and the Residue Calculus.
  4. Jun 24, 2009 #3


    User Avatar
    Gold Member

    At my university Calculus I and II are taught in the first year along with Linear Algebra. (I should say Mathematical Analysis since it's a proof based Calculus course) Calculus II and Linear Algebra are taught the same semester, so that when we start to study Calculus III we already know some Linear Algebra which is indeed important because you have to deal with determinants, vector spaces, etc.

    But if you're studying single variable calculus then I don't think Linear Algebra will be of any use. If I remember well, Spivak's Calculus is of one variable, so sincerely I don't think Linear Algebra to be of any use.
    Basically you'll prove all the theorems up to infinite series one. There is absolutely no need of Linear Algebra knowledge up to this, in my opinion.
    It's a different story if you're looking to study vector based calculus though.
  5. Jun 24, 2009 #4
    Thanks for the great responses guys.

    Should one study Spivak before 'vector-based' Calculus or are they independent of each other? What is the difference?

    There seem to be too many different types of calculus. What order does one preferably study them in?
  6. Jun 24, 2009 #5


    User Avatar
    Gold Member

    Spivak's Calculus is Calculus I and II if I remember well.
    Yes you should first learn well this and later move on to vector based calculus.
    Usually Calculus I consist of continuity of functions, limits of functions and sequences, derivatives, injective/bijective function, even/uneven functions, etc.
    Calculus II deals with integral calculus, infinite series, Taylor series and probably more.
    All this is with one variable functions.
    While calculus III is basically very similar to calculus I and II but with several variables. Yes, there's a big difference and in order to tackle this course I think it's very nice to have a Linear Algebra course under your belt.
    That's my personal experience. (I just finished my calculus 3 course)

    Thus if you plan to study the whole Calculus sequence, I suggest you to study Linear Algebra along with Spivak's Calculus and when you're done with them, start with Vector Calculus.
  7. Jun 24, 2009 #6


    User Avatar
    Science Advisor

    Often you see universities label their calculus classes I-III(IV), each corresponding to a different subject matter:
    Calc I: Differential calculus of a single variable
    Calc II: Integral calculus of a single variable + taylor series
    Calc III: Differential and integral calculus of multiple variables, vector calculus
    Calc IV (sometimes): Ordinary differential equations

    Certainly it makes sense to study I -> II -> III, as it is a logical progression, but IV does not necessarily come after III. Linear algebra plays a part in several proofs from calc III, but like fluidistic says it is largely irrelevant for I, II.

    So, I think the best place for LA would be between calc II and III, assuming you do want the level of rigor in proving most of the theorems.
  8. Jun 24, 2009 #7
    Okay. Well as odd as this may sound, I have already taken Calculus 1-4. We just never called Calculus 3 "Vector Calculus."

    I am in Engineering, so it was from a more applied standpoint. I wish to reteach myself calculus from a more theoretical standpoint.

    Spivak has been highly recommended to me for this purpose. I am looking for some rigor and to gain some experience with proofs.

    I feel like some mathematical maturity is in order and that it will benefit me greatly in my self-study of more advanced physics topics.
  9. Jun 25, 2009 #8

    Spivack's "Calculus" neither presupposes nor uses linear algebra.
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook