Does Schwarzschild Solution work inside a massive body?

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The discussion centers on the applicability of the Schwarzschild Solution within a massive body, such as a neutron star, in the context of general relativity. Participants explore whether the methods used in Newtonian gravity can be similarly applied in general relativity to determine gravitational fields inside such bodies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the Schwarzschild Solution can be used inside a neutron star, drawing a parallel to Newtonian gravity where gravitational potential can be calculated based on the distance to the center of mass.
  • Another participant asserts that the Schwarzschild Solution does not apply inside a massive body and suggests using the Tolman-Oppenheimer-Volkov (TOV) equations instead.
  • A follow-up inquiry seeks to understand if there is a similar equation for scenarios involving radial flow, such as during a supernova.
  • Another participant mentions the existence of an interior Schwarzschild Solution for constant density, providing a link for further reference.
  • References to literature on quasi-normal modes and rotating stars are provided as potential resources for further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the Schwarzschild Solution does not work inside a massive body, but there is no consensus on the applicability of alternative equations or solutions for specific scenarios, such as radial flow during a supernova.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the density of the body and the conditions under which the Schwarzschild Solution may or may not apply. The discussion also highlights the need for further exploration of equations relevant to dynamic scenarios.

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The Schwarzschild Solution to Einstein's Field Equations for gravity are said to be exact when outside a spherically symmetric massive body. My question is, can the Schwarzschild Solution also be used inside the massive body, such as a neutron star.

In Newtonian gravity we can find the gravity potential at some position inside the body; just find the distance to the center of mass, and count the total mass enclosed by a sphere whose radius equals that distance. It is similar to Gauss' Law in electrostatics.

Does a similar procedure work in general relativity? To find the gravity field at some position inside a neutron star, can I just calculate an effective Schwarzschild radius by finding the mass enclosed by a sphere passing through that position? If not, is there a correction to the Schwarzschild solution for the interior of a spherically symmetric massive body.
 
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No, it doesn't work inside the body. (Huh, does it work inside in Newton, I'd forgotten!) Try the Tolman-Oppenheimer-Volkov (TOV) equations to start.
 
atyy said:
No, it doesn't work inside the body. (Huh, does it work inside in Newton, I'd forgotten!) Try the Tolman-Oppenheimer-Volkov (TOV) equations to start.

Thank you for the reference to the TOV equation, it is most helpful. Is there a similar equation if the body has some radial flow, for example a dense star that undergoes a rapid expansion such as during a supernova?
 
nickyrtr said:
The Schwarzschild Solution to Einstein's Field Equations for gravity are said to be exact when outside a spherically symmetric massive body. My question is, can the Schwarzschild Solution also be used inside the massive body, such as a neutron star.
For constant density, there is also the interior Schwarzschild Solution:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1543402#post1543402
 
nickyrtr said:
Thank you for the reference to the TOV equation, it is most helpful. Is there a similar equation if the body has some radial flow, for example a dense star that undergoes a rapid expansion such as during a supernova?

I don't know exactly, but maybe you can find a useful reference here:

Quasi-Normal Modes of Stars and Black Holes
Kostas D. Kokkotas, Bernd G. Schmidt
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-1999-2/

Rotating Stars in Relativity
Nikolaos Stergioulas
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-3/
 
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