Does speed increase ionizing power

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the speed of ionizing radiation particles (alpha and beta particles) and their ionizing power. Participants explore whether higher speeds correlate with increased ionizing power or if slower particles are more effective due to their interactions with surrounding matter.

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  • Some participants suggest that alpha particles, despite being slower (~10% light speed), have higher ionizing power than beta particles (~30% light speed) because they can cause more ionizations in a given distance.
  • Others argue that the ionizing power of alpha particles is due to their double positive charge and larger mass, which allows them to cause significant biological damage despite their lower speed.
  • It is noted that beta particles, while faster, have a smaller charge and mass, resulting in moderate ionizing power.
  • A participant questions why ionizing radiation typically has high speeds, suggesting that the velocities are inherent properties of the particles.
  • Different forms of ionizing radiation are identified, with alpha particles traveling at ~5-7% of the speed of light, beta particles potentially reaching up to 75%, and gamma rays traveling at the speed of light.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between speed and ionizing power, with no consensus reached on whether increasing speed leads to increased or decreased ionizing power.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various factors influencing ionizing power, such as charge, mass, and interaction distance, but these factors remain complex and not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Some said alpha particles are released in high speed so that it has a high ionizing power. But some said alpha particles (~10% light speed) have higher ionizing power than beta particles (~30% light speed) because it is slower, so it gives more time for it to ionizing surrounded air particles.
So ionizing power increases with increasing speed ,or decreases with increasing speed?
 
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hi there

you are coming from a slightly incorrect premise

Their velocity is reasonably constant within a range of around 5 - 7 % the speed of light, but what makes them highly ionising is because of their double positive charge, large mass (compared to a beta particle) and because they are relatively slow. They can cause many ionisations within a very small distance. This gives them the potential to do much more biological damage ( damage to living tissue) for the same amount of deposited energy. Alpha particles don't travel very far because they quickly pick up free electrons and become stable Helium atoms.
They are easily stopped by a sheet of paper. Alpha particles will do the most damage to tissue when they are swallowed (ingested) when their emission is directly into tissue.

Beta particles on the other hand are much faster but are much smaller ... they are emitted as forms of electrons. And even tho they are very high speed, because of their smaller charge and size, they are only moderately ionisingDave
 
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davenn said:
hi there

you are coming from a slightly incorrect premise

Teir velocity is reasonably constant within a range of around 5 - 7 % the speed of light, but what makes them highly ionising is because of their double positive charge, large mass (compared to a beta particle) and because they are relatively slow. They can cause many ionisations within a very small distance. This gives them the potential to do much more biological damage ( damage to living tissue) for the same amount of deposited energy. Alpha particles don't travel very far because they quickly pick up free electrons and become stable Helium atoms.
They are easily stopped by a sheet of paper. Alpha particles will do the most damage to tissue when they are swallowed (ingested) when their emission is directly into tissue.

Beta particles on the other hand are much faster but are much smaller ... they are emitted as forms of electrons. And even tho they are very high speed, because of their smaller charge and size, they are only moderately ionisingDave
Thanks for your reply, apart from other factors,
Why do ionising radiation usually have high speed?
 
Clara Chung said:
Thanks for your reply, apart from other factors,
Why do ionising radiation usually have high speed?

the velocities of the particles are what they are
it's like asking why is the speed of light what it is ? ... that's just the way it is :wink:

so you have 3 forms of ionising radiation

1) Alpha ... ~ 5 - 7 % of speed of light
2) Beta ... can be up to 75% of speed of light (in a vacuum) ( google Cherenkov radiation)
3) Gamma rays ( are photons) so they are the speed of light in a vacuum
Dave
 
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