Does the angle at which an object is fired affect its escape velocity?

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The discussion revolves around the effect of the angle at which an object is fired on its escape velocity from Earth's gravitational field. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical reasoning, and energy considerations related to projectile motion and escape trajectories.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • BiP states that the escape velocity is the minimum speed required to break free from Earth's gravitational field and questions the outcomes when fired at various angles.
  • Some participants propose that if an object is fired at an upward angle, it will reach "infinity," while a downward angle will lead to a spiral trajectory towards Earth.
  • Others argue that an object fired at escape velocity will reach infinity regardless of the launch angle, as energy considerations suggest that energy is conserved.
  • There is a claim that the trajectory of an object fired at an angle will follow a parabolic path, depending on whether it intersects with Earth.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the rigor of the claims made regarding the trajectories and seeks a proof that does not rely on energy considerations.
  • Another participant explains that the path of an object near a massive body can be elliptical, parabolic, or hyperbolic, depending on its speed and direction, with a parabolic trajectory being the threshold for reaching infinity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the trajectories of objects fired at various angles and the rigor of the proofs provided. There is no consensus on the best method to prove the claims regarding escape velocity and trajectory paths.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as the conservation of energy and the definitions of potential energy, without resolving the implications of these assumptions on the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying classical mechanics, projectile motion, and gravitational physics, particularly in understanding the nuances of escape velocity and trajectory analysis.

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The escape velocity of an object on the surface of the Earth is the minimum speed required for it to "break free" from the Earth's gravitational field without requiring further propulsion.

Its value is mathematically determined to be [itex]v = \sqrt{\frac{2GM}{R}}[/itex] with M being the mass of the Earth and R being the Earth's radius.

If the object is fired pointing radially away from the Earth, then it will travel in a straight line and certainly reach "infinity".

If the object is fired pointing radially towards the Earth, it will travel in a straight line and simply accelerate towards the Earth.

My question is what happens if the object is fired at some angle (with the escape speed of course). Most sources say that if it is fired with some upward angle, it will still reach out to "infinity" because of energy considerations, and the fact that energy is scalar.

But if the object is fired with some downward angle, it will not reach out to "infinity" and simply spiral towards the Earth.

What if the object is fired perpendicular to the radial line?

And how can we prove these results using a rigorous approach, rather than a merely observation that energy is a scalar? I am more of a mathematician, so would prefer a very rigorous attempt to address this question.

All help is appreciated. Thanks!

BiP
 
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Hi Bipolarity! :smile:
Bipolarity said:
If the object is fired pointing radially towards the Earth, it will travel in a straight line and simply accelerate towards the Earth.

But if the object is fired with some downward angle, it will not reach out to "infinity" and simply spiral towards the Earth.

No, it will follow a parabola.

If the parabola intersects the earth, of course the object will stop!

If the parabola doesn't intersect the earth, the object will "reach infinity" exactly as if it had been fired outward.
And how can we prove these results using a rigorous approach, rather than a merely observation that energy is a scalar?

That is rigorous. :redface:

Energy shows perfectly rigorously that an object launched at escape velocity will "reach infinity at zero speed", no matter what the angle of launch.
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Bipolarity! :smile:No, it will follow a parabola.

If the parabola intersects the earth, of course the object will stop!

If the parabola doesn't intersect the earth, the object will "reach infinity" exactly as if it had been fired outward.That is rigorous. :redface:

Energy shows perfectly rigorously that an object launched at escape velocity will "reach infinity at zero speed", no matter what the angle of launch.

Thanks tim, but I don't understand how these claims are rigorous. How can you prove them? Suppose I wanted to prove it without using energy...

BiP
 
As you get further from the earth, you get closer and closer to flying directly away from it regardless of what angle you started from.
 
Energy Proof (simple)

This is basically the proof that's given on Wikipedia, very simple and very easy. I' can't prove the parabola thing that tiny-tim wrote about, so you'll have to figure that one out some other way. However, since energy is scalar, as long as you don't run into the planet (like tiny tim said) the energy is conserved as shown.

We start with conservation of energy.

[tex](KE + PE)_1 = (KE + PE)_2[/tex]

Initial kinetic energy is some velocity, we'll call it ve for escape velocity. Likewise, its potential energy is whatever it is on the surface, at radius r from the planet center. As we go to infinity, the potential energy goes to zero as r goes to infinity, and we'll pretend the kinetic energy goes to zero at the point where r goes to infinity.

Additional notes: m is mass of escaping object, M mass of planet, G gravitational constant.

[tex](1/2)mv_e^2 + (-GMm/r) = 0 + 0[/tex]

So, we're then left with:

[tex]v_e = \sqrt{2GM/r}[/tex]

Another additional note: I'm not sure why they defined the potential energy the way they did, but that's how they showed it.
 
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the "parabola thing" is easy

a small body near an isolated mass must follow an ellipse (eccentricity < 1) a parabola (eccentricity = 1) or a hyperbola (eccentricity > 1)

as you increase the speed (for a fixed direction at a fixed position), you increase the eccentricity

if it's an ellipse, the body will never "reach infinity"

the smallest value of eccentricity, and therefore the smallest speed, for which the body can "reach infinity" is when the path is a parabola :smile:
 

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