Does the Convergence of a Series Depend on the Values of its Terms?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a series defined by integer terms, specifically examining the condition under which the series converges if and only if the terms are zero beyond a certain index. Participants are exploring the implications of this condition and the necessary proofs related to convergence criteria.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need to demonstrate that the partial sums of the series converge and explore the Cauchy criterion for convergence. There are attempts to clarify the assumptions and the structure of the proof, particularly regarding the implications of the terms being non-zero.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on structuring the proof and clarifying the assumptions. There is recognition of the need to address both directions of the "if and only if" statement, and some participants are questioning the validity of certain assumptions made in the arguments presented.

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One participant notes restrictions on the use of certain theorems, indicating that they must rely on alternative methods not yet covered in their studies. This constraint may influence the approaches discussed in the thread.

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Homework Statement



Let x_i be integers. Prove that \sum{x_i} converges iff x_i=0 for all i>I.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I need to show that the partial sums converge. That is, they are Cauchy. So for any \epsilon >0, |s_n - s_m|<\epsilon holds.
Now we have
\sum^n_{k=1}{x_i} - \sum^m_{k=1}{x_i} = \sum^n_{k=m}{x_i} &lt; \epsilon, for all n>m>N. Now assume x_i \neq 0 for all i. And as the partial sums are finite we can choose a minimal element from the sum S_n, say x_a. Obviously (n-m)x_a < S_n but by the Archimedean property (n-m)x_a &gt; \epsilon for some n. Thus either n=m, which implies that the sequence is stationary, or x_a=0. I think this is not valid but can't find the proper solution. help
 
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Homework Statement



Let x_i be integers. Prove that \sum{x_i} converges iff x_i=0 for all i>I.

If you are going to give a careful proof, it would be best to state what the problem is carefully:

Let x_i be integers. Prove that \sum{x_i} converges iff there exists a number I such that [/color]x_i=0 for all i>I.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I need to show that the partial sums converge. That is, they are Cauchy. So for any \epsilon &gt;0, |s_n - s_m|&lt;\epsilon holds.
Now we have
\sum^n_{k=1}{x_i} - \sum^m_{k=1}{x_i} = \sum^n_{k=m}{x_i} &lt; \epsilon, for all n>m>N. Now assume x_i \neq 0 for all i.

That isn't the correct denial of the statement ##x_i=0## for all ##i>I##

And as the partial sums are finite we can choose a minimal element from the sum S_n, say x_a. Obviously (n-m)x_a < S_n but by the Archimedean property (n-m)x_a &gt; \epsilon for some n. Thus either n=m, which implies that the sequence is stationary, or x_a=0. I think this is not valid but can't find the proper solution. help

Note that you have an "if and only if" statement to prove. You need to state what you are assuming and what you need to prove for both. I don't think you need the Cauchy criterion in either case. One case is trivial and the other perhaps you can show ##x_i## doesn't go to zero, which is necessary for convergence.
 
Thank you :) I'm not allowed to use that last theorem (x_i goes to zero) because I'm not there in the book yet. I need to use some other tools, could you suggest something?
 
Well, I'm sure you can do a proof using the Cauchy criterion. But your argument seems to assume the ##x_i\ge 0##. Is that given? It's hard to help you with your argument until you state whether you are working on the "if" or "only if" part, write down what you are assuming and what you have to prove. And you state the correct denial I mentioned earlier.
 

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