Does the emission line of an ionized atom depend on the number of electrons?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the emission lines of ionized atoms and the number of electrons they possess. Participants explore whether the emission lines of ionized atoms differ from those of their neighboring elements in the periodic table, particularly when the number of electrons is the same due to ionization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the emission line is unique to each element and questions whether the emission lines of an ionized atom and its neighbor with the same number of electrons would be the same.
  • Another participant argues that the emission lines depend on both the number of protons and electrons, indicating that electron interactions also play a role.
  • A participant raises a concern about identifying atoms with different emission spectrums when the same atom has different numbers of electrons.
  • It is noted that every atom has a unique fingerprint spectrum, and while ionized and neutral states of the same element have similar spectra, they are not identical due to differences in attractive potential caused by varying numbers of protons.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of the number of protons by discussing the ionization energies of neighboring elements (Fe, Co, Ni) and how they differ despite having similar electron configurations.

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Participants express differing views on the impact of the number of protons versus electrons on emission lines, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between ionization states and emission spectra, as well as the dependence on definitions of ionization and excitation spectra.

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Emission line is unique for all elements and i think it depends on the electrons of the elements...my doubt is if an element gains or loses one electron then would the emission line of this ionised atom and the emission line of its neighbor atom in the periodic table is same or not..since the ionised atom and its neighbor will have same number of electrons...

if its same then how shall we differentiate the two lines...if it is not same then how shall we say that emission line depends on electrons...i think i have explained what i meant..i think i lack some fundamental concept here and hence am posting this question...
 
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It depends on the number of protons and number of electrons. You get a different potential depending on how many protons you have and also the electrons interact with each other. And why do you ask this in sub-atomic forum?
 
do u mean the emission line of an atom and the emission line of the same atom having different no.of electrons are different...then how shall we identify an atom if the same atom has different emission spectrums..

this thread is moved from nuclear/particle physics...
 
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every kind of atom (element) has its fingerprint spectra, no other element has the same.

So carbon has totally different spectra than nitrogen etc. Since carbon has 6protons and 6electrons and nitrogen 7protons and 7 electrons.

The differnces between CI and CII (I means neutral and II means first ionized) are very very very small, and you need high temp to have much CII (Saha equation).

There is a difference between the ionization spectra and the excitation spectra of an atom. ionization means that you lift the energy to n = infinity.

But as an example, NI and CII does not have the same excitation- and ionizaion spectra, even though they have the same number of electrons. That is due to they have different attractive potential (different # of protons)
 
Thank you for the clear explanation...
 
To illustrate that the number of protons is also of great importance, consider the following case: Fe, Co & Ni are neighbors with Z=26, 27 & 28 respectively. If you use the isoelectronic argument, you would expect IE3(Ni) = IE2(Co) = IE1(Fe), but in reality, it is almost 4*IE1(Fe) = 2*IE2(Co) = IE3(Ni). Moreover, their first ionization energies differ by barely 1 or 2%.
 

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