Does the Energy of Laser Depend on Wavelength or Photon?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between laser energy, wavelength, and photon flux, exploring how these factors influence the potential harm caused by lasers. Participants examine the implications of different wavelengths and photon counts in terms of safety and damage to materials and biological tissues.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that laser energy is dependent on wavelength and photon flux, with power being a product of energy per photon and the number of photons per second.
  • Others argue that while shorter wavelengths carry more energy per photon and can be more harmful, the overall power of a laser is influenced by factors such as the pumping regime and the laser cavity design.
  • A participant mentions that different wavelengths have varying hazards, noting that UV lasers can damage the cornea while visible lasers can affect the retina, but the relative harm is not clearly established.
  • Some contributions highlight that higher frequencies at a given power level tend to have more destructive effects, but there is no consensus on which specific wavelengths or photon counts are definitively more harmful.
  • One participant points out that pulsed lasers can be particularly dangerous due to their ability to compress energy into small packets, resulting in much higher peak power.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the dependence of laser energy on wavelength and photon flux, and the discussion remains unresolved on which factors are most critical for determining harm.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the relationship between laser power, wavelength, and photon flux is complex and can vary based on specific conditions and definitions. There are unresolved aspects regarding the comparative harm of different wavelengths and the effects of pulsed versus continuous wave lasers.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying laser safety, optics, and the biological effects of different wavelengths of light, as well as professionals working with lasers in various applications.

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Does the energy of laser depend on the wavelength of it?

Or the energy of laser depend on the number(flux) of the photon?

Which is more harmful? The light with short wavelength or with more photon?

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The power is the energy (depends on the wavelength) * the number of photons /second.
Generally shorter wavelengths ( more energy / photon ) are more harmful.
 
Wavelength combined with photon flux is sufficient (but usually not practical/convenient) to determine the power of a laser.

For a given amount of power, short wavelength is more harmful (as such photons will impart enough energy to break something whereas the innumerable photons comprising almost-static fields will evenly distribute their energy over any target).
 
mgb_phys said:
The power is the energy (depends on the wavelength) * the number of photons /second.
Generally shorter wavelengths ( more energy / photon ) are more harmful.

Different wavelengths have different hazards. A UV laser will damage the cornea, while a visible light laser will get the retina. It is not clear to me which is worse.

Of course any laser with sufficient power will cause burns. I have brushed a 12W UV beam with a gloved finger, it is hot...FAST!
 
Yes, but in broad terms a Watt of X-ray laser will do more harm to most materials than a Watt of RF transmitter.
 
I think a sunburnt cornea is preferable to any retina damage, so I guess particular systems can have greatly heightened vulnerability to specific (finite) frequencies.
 
The general idea, I believe, is don't look at the damned things regardless of their frequencies. Even a stupid little $1.50 laser pointer can cause serious eye damage, as can the scanning head from a DVD player. However unlikely it might be, the possibility is always there.
Generally speaking, though, as the frog pointed out, higher frequencies at a given power level tend to have more destructive effects.
 
Ben Hom Chen said:
Does the energy of laser depend on the wavelength of it?

Or the energy of laser depend on the number(flux) of the photon?
Firstly, let us clarify what is meant by the energy of a laser. Usually we speak of laser power, but for pulsed laser systems, the energy per pulse is often quoted. Neither of these parameters depend on laser wavelength. Laser power usually depends on the pumping regime (the more energy you pump into the cavity, the more power you get at the output), details of the laser cavity (the reflectivity of the output coupler for example) and the gain medium itself.

Laser power, photon wavelength and photon flux share a simple relationship, and given two, one can easily calculate the other, but the power of the laser does not intrinsically depend on these factors.

Ben Hom Chen said:
Which is more harmful? The light with short wavelength or with more photon?

Thanks@@
Wavelengths that are transmitted by the cornea and reach the retina are the most dangerous in terms of eye safety, this includes the visible spectrum and a little bit beyond. Wavelengths that are transmitted by the cornea and do not fall within the visible spectrum (UV in particular) are extra-dangerous, because they don't trigger our blink reflex, and have the added danger of being invisible.

Shorter wavelengths (UV and shorter) can contribute to skin damage over a long period of exposure to the specularly reflected beam and can lead to cancer in the worst case scenario.

Of course, in all of these cases, the higher the laser power, the greater the risk. Pulsed lasers are especially dangerous as they compress the laser energy into small packets and as a result, the peak power of a pulsed laser can be some 1000 times greater than its average power. Lasers with extremely short pulses (< 1 ps) have the added risk factor of bypassing eye safety through the generation of higher-order harmonics.

Claude.
 
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