Does the given function have a minimum and maximum?

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The discussion revolves around the function f(x) = x^b * e^(-x), where b is a positive real number. Participants are tasked with determining the existence of minimum and maximum values for this function and identifying those values.

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of finding the derivative f'(x) and setting it to zero to locate potential extrema. There are inquiries about whether specific values of b should be chosen for analysis and the implications of the derivative being zero.

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Some participants have provided hints regarding the conditions for identifying maximum and minimum values, including the use of the second derivative test. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of the derivative's behavior at specific points, particularly at x = b and x = 0.

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Participants note that f(x) is positive for all x > 0 and equals zero at x = 0, raising questions about the nature of extrema at the endpoints of the function's domain. There is also mention of the need to consider the behavior of the function as b varies.

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Hi

I have been given the following assignment which has caused me some trouble:

The function [tex]f(x) = x^b \cdot e^{-x}[/tex] where [tex]b \in \mathbb{R}_{+}[/tex]

Determine if f has a minimum and a maximum, and find them.

I know that the first step is determine f'(x) which is

[tex]f'(x) = (\frac{b}{x} - ln(e)) \cdot e^{-x} \cdot x^b[/tex]

Any hints what I do next ?

Best Regards

Mathboy20
 
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mathboy20 said:
I know that the first step is determine f'(x) which is

[tex]f'(x) = (\frac{b}{x} - ln(e)) \cdot e^{-x} \cdot x^b[/tex]

Any hints what I do next ?
If there is a minimum or a maximum, the derivative has to be zero there. Watch out though, a zero derivative doesn't necessarily imply an extremem (min or max) but it is a necessary condition. So find the values of x for which [itex]f'(x)=0[/itex].
 
Do I then choose an abitrary b-value and then solve f'(x) = 0 ?

Like let's say b = 1

then [tex]f'(x) = -(ln(e) \cdot x -1) \cdot e^{-x}= 0[/tex]

Then [tex]x = \frac{1}{ln(e)}[/tex]

If I then choose an abitratry b which lies in the inteval [tex][1, \infty[[/tex]

I get that [tex]x = \frac{b}{ln(e)}[/tex]

is that x then the maximum value for the given function?

Best Regards
Mathboy20

TD said:
If there is a minimum or a maximum, the derivative has to be zero there. Watch out though, a zero derivative doesn't necessarily imply an extremem (min or max) but it is a necessary condition. So find the values of x for which [itex]f'(x)=0[/itex].
 
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Rather then doing it for a particular value of b, do it in general (keep b as a parameter).
You indeed get [itex]x = \frac{b}{\ln(e)}[/itex] but don't you think you could simplify [itex]\ln(e)[/itex] a bit? :wink:
 
TD said:
Rather then doing it for a particular value of b, do it in general (keep b as a parameter).
You indeed get [itex]x = \frac{b}{\ln(e)}[/itex] but don't you think you could simplify [itex]\ln(e)[/itex] a bit? :wink:


Yeah sure then x = b

Can I then conclude that the parameter 'b' is the maximum value for the function ?

Best Regards

Mathboy20
 
mathboy20 said:
Yeah sure then x = b

Can I then conclude that the parameter 'b' is the maximum value for the function ?

Best Regards

Mathboy20
Be careful, when b is not 1, then there is one more value that makes f'(x) = 0. That value is x = 0. Do you know why?
To check if it's the maximum or minimum value, one can try to take the second derivative of that function.
If f''(x) > 0, and f'(x) = 0, then it's a minimum value.
If f''(x) < 0, and f'(x) = 0, then it's a maximum value.
Do you know this?
 
mathboy20 said:
Yeah sure then x = b

Can I then conclude that the parameter 'b' is the maximum value for the function ?
Although it's correct (this will be a maximum), you cannot conclude this from the zero derivative only. In order for that point to be a max (c.q. min), the derivative has to change sign arround that point (from + to - for a max and vice versa for a min).

Alternatively, you could check the sign of the second derivative in that point. If that's negative, you've got a maximum while you'll have a minimum when that's positive.
 
Hello again,

Lets recap what I know.

I'm given the function [tex]f(x) = x^{a} \cdot e^{-x}[/tex]

where [tex]a \in \mathbb{R}_{+}[/tex] which means that [tex]a > 0[/tex]

Futher I'm told that [tex]x \in [0, \infty[[/tex]

I required first to prove that there exists a minimum and a maximum value for f, and to determain those values.

What would be the first logical step here?

Sincerely Yours
Mathboy20
 
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First, you should notice that:
f(x) > 0 for all x > 0, and f(x) = 0 for x = 0, right? So what can you say about f(0)? (a maximum value or minimum value?)
And the second hint is to follow TD's suggestion and prove that x = b is a maximum.
Can you go from here? :)
 
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Dear TD,

If I understand Your explanation correctly then I get the following

first my f'(x) was wrong the right one is

f'(x) = (b/x -1) * x^b * e^-x =0

Then according to the definition then there exist a maximum if f''(x) < 0 and f'(x) = 0

first condition:

by choosing x = b

then f'(b) = 0

Second condition:

f''(b) = -b ^ (b-1) * e^-b < 0 because b>0

Then the maximum for f is x = b...

There exist a minimum if f''(x) > 0 and f'(x) = 0

The first point in the definition interval is x = 0, but this is unuserable since b/0 is not allowed.

Then f doesn't have a mimimum?

Sincerley Yours
Mathboy20
 
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f'(x) = bxb - 1e-x - xbe-x
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f''(x) = b(b - 1)xb - 2e-x - bxb - 1e-x - bxb - 1e-x + xbe-x
= e-x(b(b - 1)xb - 2 - 2bxb - 1 + bxb)
f''(b) = be-b(b(b - 1)bb - 2 - 2bbb - 1 + bb) = e-b(-bb - bb - 1 + bb) = -bb - 1e-b < 0.
Yes, so your work is correct.
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However, you should also check the value of f(x) at the end point, too to see if it's a maximum or minimum there. As I told you before:
f(0) = 0
And f(x) > 0 for all x > 0
So f(0) is a minimum value for f(x), since the domain of the function is [tex][0 ; \infty [[/tex]
By the way, f'(x) = bxb - 1e-x - xbe-x = xb - 1e-x(b - x)
So as long as b is not 1, f'(0+) = 0.
 

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