Does the Neutral Axis Move in a Symmetrical Beam?

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The discussion centers around the behavior of the Neutral Axis (NA) in a symmetrical beam when subjected to a vertical load. Participants explore the implications of beam bending, equilibrium, and the effects of tension and compression on the NA's position.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the NA is initially located at the geometric center of a symmetrical beam when in equilibrium.
  • There is a question about whether the NA moves when a vertical load is applied, leading to increased tension on the bottom surface of the beam.
  • One participant suggests that the NA does move, but not significantly enough to affect conventional beam bending analysis.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Poisson's ratio, explaining that the cross-section of the beam deforms, causing the tension side to narrow and the compression side to widen.
  • There is a clarification that when the beam is relaxed, there is no stress at the top or bottom, but this changes when the beam is loaded, leading to compression at the top and tension at the bottom.
  • One participant mentions that technically, every beam experiences slight deflection under its own weight, implying that there is always some level of tensile and compressive stress present.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the movement of the Neutral Axis and the presence of stress in the beam under various conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of the NA's movement and the implications of stress in a relaxed versus loaded state.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about beam behavior under load, the definitions of stress, and the effects of material properties like Poisson's ratio, which may not be fully explored.

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Hi

Consider a symmetrical beam, where as we know the Neutral Axis (NA) would be at the Geometric Center. If that beam was simply supported at both ends, there would be equal tension and compression to ensure that beam was in equilibrium.

Now if we applied a vertical load, downwards, in the center, the beam would sag and be in compression at the top and tension on the bottom. My question is: Would the NA move to accommodate the increase in tension on the bottom surface? If it doesn't, how can this be, as tension has increased?

Thanks in advance...
 
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Consider a symmetrical beam, where as we know the Neutral Axis (NA) would be at the Geometric Center. If that beam was simply supported at both ends, there would be equal tension and compression to ensure that beam was in equilibrium.

Now if we applied a vertical load, downwards, in the center, the beam would sag and be in compression at the top and tension on the bottom. My question is: Would the NA move to accommodate the increase in tension on the bottom surface? If it doesn't, how can this be, as tension has increased?

Thanks in advance...
 
Yes it does, but not enough to bother about if you are doing a conventional beam bending analysis.

The cross section also deforms because of Poisson's ratio. The tension side gets narrower, the compression side gets wider, and the top and bottom surfaces curve (anti-clastic curvature).

You can see this easily if you bend short, thick, flexible beam - e.g. a rectangular-block-shaped pencil eraser.
 
Well, the term "neutral axis" refers to a situation where the beam *is* loaded. What exactly is your question?
 
Thanks AlephZero.

Good point about Possion's Ratio, I never really appreciated that in beam bending. Thanks for the eraser analogy too, I like to keep things simple.

So just to confirm, when the beam is relaxed, in equilibrium, there will be no stress at the top or the bottom. But when it hogs, we get compression on the top and tension on the bottom. My friend was saying that there is always some stress on the top and bottom, but I can't see this.

Thanks again...
 
It depends on just how technical you want to get in regards to what your friend is saying. Technically, every beam will deflect slightly under its own weight. So in that context, yes. There is always a slight tensile and compressive stress in a beam.
 

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