Does the normal always equal weight, if on a non-inclined plane?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between normal force and weight on a non-inclined plane, particularly questioning whether the normal force always equals the weight in various scenarios, including those with applied forces at angles.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster questions the necessity of including normal force and weight in force component analysis on a non-inclined plane, especially when friction is present. Participants explore scenarios where the normal force does not equal weight, particularly when additional forces are applied at angles.

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Participants have engaged in clarifying the conditions under which normal force and weight may differ, with examples provided to illustrate the concept. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by additional forces, leading to a more nuanced understanding of the forces at play.

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The original poster's question is framed within a homework context, indicating a focus on conceptual understanding rather than problem-solving. The discussion highlights the importance of analyzing forces in various configurations, particularly in the presence of non-frictionless conditions.

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Homework Statement


Does the normal always equal the weight, if on a non-inclined plane?

This is just a general question that I have about normal and weight forces... I was wondering because when I'm breaking up the net forces into components, I was wondering if I should always include the normal and weight, even if its on a non-inclined plane.

Essentially, I'm asking, does the normal=weight on a non-inclined plane if the plane IS NOT frictionless? If the normal=weight, then why do I still need to include it in the sum of the components on the y-axis?


Homework Equations


Fnet=ma


The Attempt at a Solution


Doesn't require a solution, its just a conceptual question
 
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No, the normal force does not always just equal the weight, even on non-inclined planes. Suppose you have a problem where a person is pulling on a box with a rope that is angled at 45 degrees above the horizontal. While the box is not on an inclined plane, the normal force will not in this instance equal the weight. Hopefully this makes sense.
 
jgens said:
No, the normal force does not always just equal the weight, even on non-inclined planes. Suppose you have a problem where a person is pulling on a box with a rope that is angled at 45 degrees above the horizontal. While the box is not on an inclined plane, the normal force will not in this instance equal the weight. Hopefully this makes sense.

Thanks, that really helps a lot. It also really makes sense, because if the normal=weight even if there was a force applied at an angle to the horizontal, that means that an additional force would be added onto the y-component... and if the normal=weight, then there's nothing to cancel out that vertical force, and the object would accelerate vertically.
 
Correct!
 

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