Does the record move faster or ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the motion of points on a spinning record, specifically comparing the speed and angular velocity of dots placed at different distances from the center of the record. It explores concepts related to rotational motion and the implications of distance on speed and angular velocity.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment involving two dots on a record, noting that they cross a finish line simultaneously despite traveling different distances.
  • Another participant explains that the paradox arises from the distinction between speed and angular velocity, stating that the outer dot has greater speed while both dots share the same angular velocity.
  • A participant seeks confirmation of their understanding, summarizing that the dots have the same angular velocity but the outer dot has greater speed.
  • A later reply confirms the summary provided by the participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distinction between speed and angular velocity, but the discussion does not resolve all aspects of the initial confusion regarding the motion of the dots.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not address potential limitations in understanding the relationship between linear speed and angular velocity, nor does it explore the implications of these concepts in different contexts.

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"Play a record on a record player. Draw a dot at a point on the outside of the record. Then draw a dot on the inner part of the record near the center, at the same level as the other dot.

Now draw a line on the record player as sort of a 'finish line' for the dot to cross when the record spins.

Play the record. As the record spins, both dots cross the 'finish line' at exactly the same time, even though the dot on the outside has a much longer distance to travel. Even though they're on the same record, it seems one dot is moving faster than the other, which is, of course, impossible."

Someone posted this online and I have struggled to understand why this is, I understand though that it's a simple concept but I do not know how to explain I suppose? It's indeed true the outside dot has a longer distance to travel while the inside has a shorter, and they're both moving at the same speed (I think?). Could anyone explain how this works?

Side note: This is not a homework question (as you can tell from the comment above it's not a question it's more of a statement for us to try out ourselves.

EDIT: I also have no idea where to post this, but I'm assuming this may be the right location.
I have attached a picture:
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The paradox arises because you're comparing speed versus angular velocity.
The outer dot has greater speed because it travels a larger distance in a given time. However, both dots have the same angular velocity, because they make a full turn (360 degrees) in the same time.
 
Thank you for a quick and easy to understand answer; so the answer would be the following "The dots have the same angular velocity but the outside doth as a greater speed." if I read your comment right?

Thanks again!
 
Yeap.
 

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