Does the Root Test Determine Convergence for \(\sum \frac{5^n}{n+1}\)?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the series \(\sum \frac{5^n}{n+1}\) and the applicability of the root test in determining this convergence.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the root test and questions the validity of their limit calculation involving \((n+1)^{1/n}\). Some participants discuss the limit of \((n+1)^{1/n}\) as \(n\) approaches infinity and suggest using logarithmic differentiation and l'Hôpital's rule.

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Participants are actively exploring the limit of \((n+1)^{1/n}\) and its implications for the root test. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the limit's outcome, with some suggesting that it approaches 1 while others express uncertainty about the calculations involved.

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There is a mention of the original problem not being fully presented, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. Additionally, participants are navigating through the complexities of applying the root test to expressions involving \(n\).

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Homework Statement



I don't have the problem in front of me but it was something like "converge or diverge"?:

[tex]\sum[/tex] 5^n/(n+1)





The Attempt at a Solution



I would like to know that if I use the root test, would I get lim n-> [tex]\infty[/tex] 5/(n+1)^1/n = 5/(n+1)^0 = 5/1 = 5 ?

I suspect this is not correct since (n+1)^1^n is an indeterminate form, however, in the book the only way to solve the problem that led to the correct answer was if (n+1) became 1

(this is not the exact example, I am more interested in if you can use the root test on variables variables of n in the base, ex lim -> [tex]\infty[/tex]n^1/n




If this is not clear enough I will re-post with the correct problem.
 
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(n+1)^(1/n) may be indeterminant, but the limit as n->infinity of (n+1)^(1/n) is 1. Take the log and apply l'Hopital.
 
do you mean, y=(n+1)^1/n
lny = ln(n+1)^1/n,
lny = (n+1)/n

y'/y = 1/1
e^y'=e^y... ok I got kinda lost
 
srfriggen said:
do you mean, y=(n+1)^1/n
lny = ln(n+1)^1/n,
lny = (n+1)/n

y'/y = 1/1
e^y'=e^y... ok I got kinda lost

ln((n+1)^(1/n))=(1/n)*ln(n+1)=ln(n+1)/n. Apply l'Hopital. What's limit ln(n+1)/n?
 
Dick said:
ln((n+1)^(1/n))=(1/n)*ln(n+1)=ln(n+1)/n. Apply l'Hopital. What's limit ln(n+1)/n?

ok, but when I take the derivative of the top and bottom with respect to n I get (1/(n+1)) / 1 = 1/(n+1), and that -> 0 as n - > infinity. Not sure how you are getting 1 as an answer.
 
srfriggen said:
ok, but when I take the derivative of the top and bottom with respect to n I get (1/(n+1)) / 1 = 1/(n+1), and that -> 0 as n - > infinity. Not sure how you are getting 1 as an answer.

That limit is telling you that log(y)=0. Remember, you took the log? What's y?
 
Dick said:
That limit is telling you that log(y)=0. Remember, you took the log? What's y?

so take e on both sides and you get y = e^0, or y = 1

:)


Thanks! I think that's just something worth memorizing!
 

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