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The discussion revolves around the implications of the speed of light in relation to the electromagnetic spectrum, specifically whether all components of the spectrum can be classified as light and if the speed of light encompasses the entire spectrum. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and technical explanations regarding electromagnetic radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that all components of the electromagnetic (EM) spectrum propagate at the speed of light.
  • Others argue that "light" specifically refers to electromagnetic radiation within the visible spectrum (approximately 400-700 nm), distinguishing it from other forms of EM radiation.
  • A participant suggests that qualifying the term "light" as "visible light" is more descriptive and may clarify the discussion.
  • There is a contention regarding whether the speed of light implies the entirety of the EM spectrum, with some stating that it is a characteristic of the spectrum rather than an implication.
  • One participant notes that gravitational waves also travel at the speed of light but are not electromagnetic waves, adding complexity to the discussion.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the phrase "the speed of light" could be more accurately described as "the speed of propagation of electromagnetic radiation in a vacuum."
  • Historical context is provided regarding Einstein's considerations of whether different wavelengths traveled at different speeds, with a reference to observable effects on distant stars.
  • There is mention of the concept of a limiting speed in relativity, with a note on the empirical nature of electromagnetic wave propagation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of light and the speed of light, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions of "light" and "electromagnetic spectrum," which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes unresolved nuances regarding the implications of speed and the classification of different types of radiation.

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Does the speed of light imply that in its property as a wave it encompasses the entire known electromagnetic spectrum?
Does the speed of light imply that in its property as a wave it encompasses the entire known electromagnetic spectrum?
 
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Are you asking whether all components of the EM spectrum propagate at the speed of light? If so, the answer is yes.
 
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no. I am wondering if all the components of the EM spectrum are what we know of as light?
 
finney said:
no. I am wondering if all the components of the EM spectrum are what we know of as light?
No. Light is EM radiation with a wavelength in a particular range (about 400-700nm). There's no difference between light and other EM radiation apart from the wavelength (and frequency), but light is by definition only the stuff we can see with our eyes.
 
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Ibix said:
No. Light is EM radiation with a wavelength in a particular range (about 400-700nm). There's no difference between light and other EM radiation apart from the wavelength (and frequency), but light is by definition only the stuff we can see with our eyes.
I think qualifying the particular range of the spectrum as "visible light" instead of just "light", is more descriptive of what one is talking about. As we know, all EM radiation propagates at the speed of light. Calling the visible component just "light" might make one wonder why this particular range of the spectrum is singled out and whether radiation in the other ranges does not propagate at the same speed. It seems that this is the gist of OP's question. Indeed if one googles "EM spectrum/images", one gets variants of this with "visible" instead of "light" in the visible range.

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kuruman said:
It seems that this is the gist of OP's question.
Maybe. I'm still not sure. Perhaps the OP will add some clarity.
 
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finney said:
Does the speed of light imply that in its property as a wave it encompasses the entire known electromagnetic spectrum?
As others have said, your question is not clear but as I interpret it, no, the speed of light does not imply what you think it implies. it IS true that the entire EM spectrum is "light" in its most general sense ** and it is true that it all travels at c, but it is NOT true that the speed "c" implies the spectrum, it is a characteristic of the spectrum.

** As @Ibix pointed out, there is a more restrictive definition of the word "light" which includes only that part of the spectrum visible to the human eye.
 
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It's a little loose to say "the speed of light". It would be more precise to say "the speed of propagation of electromagnetic radiation in a vacuum" but that is a bit of a mouthful.

Albert Einstein considered the possibility that different wavelengths traveled at different speeds. At the time it was clear it wasn't true for visible light. If it were, far away stars would appear as a streak instead of a dot. "Everything would be all mixed up!" quoth he. [I imagine he considered the question in more depth than have I].
 
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finney said:
Summary: Does the speed of light imply that in its property as a wave it encompasses the entire known electromagnetic spectrum?

Does the speed of light imply that in its property as a wave it encompasses the entire known electromagnetic spectrum?
It may be worth noting that gravitational waves travel at the speed of light in a vacuum (c) but they are not electromagnetic waves.
 
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Hornbein said:
It's a little loose to say "the speed of light". It would be more precise to say "the speed of propagation of electromagnetic radiation in a vacuum" but that is a bit of a mouthful.

Albert Einstein considered the possibility that different wavelengths traveled at different speeds. At the time it was clear it wasn't true for visible light. If it were, far away stars would appear as a streak instead of a dot. "Everything would be all mixed up!" quoth he. [I imagine he considered the question in more depth than have I].
A better name would be "the limiting speed of relativity", because the essence of relativity is that there is a limiting speed. That electromagnetic waves in vacuo have this speed of propagation is an empirical fact, i.e., that the em. field is precisely massless. The current upper limit of this "photon mass" is ##10^{-18} \text{eV}##.
 
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