Does the Spin of an Atom's Electrons Affect its Orbital Configuration?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between the spin of an atom's electrons and its orbital configuration, particularly in the context of the spin-orbit effect and its implications in various atomic systems. The conversation includes theoretical considerations, experimental observations, and specific examples involving atoms like silver and uranium.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference the Stern-Gerlach experiment to illustrate how electron spin can lead to different deflections, raising the question of whether this affects orbital configurations.
  • It is noted that while the spin-orbit effect exists, it is generally small, although some participants suggest it may be more significant in larger atoms like uranium.
  • One participant argues that in heavy atoms, the spin-orbit effect is enhanced and can lead to measurable energy level splittings, particularly in the context of relativistic treatments.
  • There is a discussion about whether the results of the Stern-Gerlach experiment are influenced by the spin of the outer valence electron and if this would lead to differences in electron orbitals based on the sign of the spin.
  • Another participant clarifies that the eigenvalues of the spin projection operator are not sufficient to describe the system when spin-orbit coupling is significant, suggesting that total angular momentum becomes a more relevant quantity.
  • One participant emphasizes that in an isolated silver atom, the orbital configuration is not affected by the sign of the spin, but external magnetic fields can lead to energy level splitting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the spin-orbit effect, particularly in relation to different atomic systems. While some agree that the effect is generally small, others argue it can become substantial in heavy atoms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which electron spin influences orbital configurations under various conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions under which the spin-orbit effect is considered, such as the presence of external magnetic fields and the specific atomic environment. There are also unresolved mathematical considerations regarding the treatment of angular momentum in the presence of spin-orbit coupling.

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In the stern-gerlach experiment, silver atoms with a +1/2 would be deflected up, and atoms with a -1/2 spin would be deflected down. With that in mind, would electrons' orbitals within an atom be affected by its spin?
 
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With an external magnetic field: sure. It is a small effect, however.
 
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Spin orbit effects are small.
 
If the electron is the first in a large atom like uranium, would the effect be larger even though it's still small? And does this effect ever get large enough to be measured?
 
Spin-orbit effect is enhanced as the nuclear charge increases. In heavy atoms such as U the spin-orbit effect is no longer perturbative, and the proper treatment of the problem should start from the relativistic Hamiltonian formula (Dirac equation). The effect due to spin-orbit coupling causes the so-called fine structure effect, where the energy levels are no longer degenerate in ##l##, i.e. splitting takes place. For hydrogen like uranium, these splittings might reach keV order of magnitude and yes something that big is hard to miss.
 
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would the spin orbit effect have different results based on which spin was present?
 
What do you mean by that? The spin of electron is always that ##s=1/2##.
 
An electron's spin can either be either +1/2 or -1/2, that's what the stern-gerlach experiment tested.
 
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An electron's spin can either be either +1/2 or -1/2, that's what the stern-gerlach experiment tested.
It's more accurate to say those numbers as the electron spin projection in a given direction, or the eigenvalues of operator ##S_z##.
The presence of spin orbit effect in perturbative regime is expressed as the inclusion of the spin-orbit coupling term proportional to ##\mathbf{L}\cdot\mathbf{S}##. This spin-orbit coupling term does not commute with ##S_z##, therefore the eigenvalues of ##S_z## are no longer good quantum numbers and we can't really separate the effect of eigenstate with ##S_z = \hbar/2## and that with ##S_z=-\hbar/2##. It can be shown that when the spin orbit effect becomes important, one of the good quantum numbers are those corresponding to the total angular momentum operator ##\mathbf{J}=\mathbf{L}+\mathbf{S}##.
 
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Ok, but aren't the results of the stern-gerlach experiment due to the positive or negative spin of the outer valence electron? And if so, wouldn't the electron orbitals differ depending on the sign of the spin?
 
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The electron configuration for silver atom is [Kr]4d10 5s1, as you said it has one valence electron in s shell, so the total orbital angular momentum is zero and the total spin angular momentum is 1/2. This makes the total angular momentum ##J=S## and consequently ##m_j=m_s## - the fact that the total orbital angular momentum ##L## is zero makes its effect on the total angular momentum ##J## not apparent and this one is completely governed by ##S##. However if a silver atom is free of any perturbation, the energy levels are degenerate in ##m_j##. So now answering your question,
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And if so, wouldn't the electron orbitals differ depending on the sign of the spin?
it really depends on the system, if the Ag atom is isolated its orbital won't be effected by the sign of the z component of the spin. However, as pointed out in comment #2, if there is external magnetic field, the energy levels are no longer degenerate in ##m_j##'s, rather it will split into different energy levels.
 

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