Does the Sun's fusion reaction produce neutrons or neutrinos?

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The discussion centers on whether the fusion reactions occurring in the Sun produce neutrons or neutrinos, exploring the mechanisms of the proton-proton chain reaction and the CNO cycle. Participants also inquire about other byproducts of hydrogen fusion into helium and the conditions under which different reactions occur.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the principal fusion reaction in the Sun is the proton-proton (pp) chain reaction, which produces neutrinos.
  • Others mention that while neutrinos are produced in both the pp chain and the CNO process, there may be some p,n reactions that could produce neutrons, although these are not considered fusion.
  • A participant questions the role of heavier elements in fusion reactions, citing examples where neutrons are produced, suggesting that such reactions occur under conditions not present in the Sun.
  • One participant explains that the pp reaction can be expressed in a way that implies the creation of neutrons, but clarifies that these are bound within helium-4 nuclei and not free neutrons.
  • There is a discussion about the energy thresholds for neutron production in light elements, with some participants arguing that neutron production is not significant in the Sun.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether neutrons are produced in the Sun's fusion reactions, with some arguing for the predominance of neutrino production while others suggest that neutron production may occur under specific conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the significance of neutron production.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the fusion of heavier elements, which can produce neutrons, requires temperatures beyond those found in the Sun. There are also references to specific reactions that produce neutrons, but these are not directly applicable to the Sun's primary fusion processes.

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does the fusion reaction in sun produce neutrons or neutrinos? i read websites of which one is saying neutron is produced but the other one says neutrino is produced..which one is correct..what other things would be produced when hydrogen fuses to produce helium in the core of sun?
 
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The principal fusion reaction in the sun is the proton-proton (pp) chain reaction.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/ppchain.html

some fusion takes place by the CNO-process
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/cno-pp.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/procyc.html

Neutrinos are produced in both reactions. It is possible that there are some p,n reactions which would produce neutrons, but that is not fusion.

See also -

zebu.uoregon.edu/~rayfrey/321/lecture5.pdf

http://star-www.dur.ac.uk/~afont/collision.html

http://www.columbia.edu/~ah297/unesa/sun/sun-chapter4.html
 
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Astronuc said:
The principal fusion reaction in the sun is the proton-proton (pp) chain reaction.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/ppchain.html

some fusion takes place by the CNO-process
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/cno-pp.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/procyc.html

Neutrinos are produced in both reactions. It is possible that there are some p,n reactions which would produce neutrons, but that is not fusion.

See also -

zebu.uoregon.edu/~rayfrey/321/lecture5.pdf

http://star-www.dur.ac.uk/~afont/collision.html

http://www.columbia.edu/~ah297/unesa/sun/sun-chapter4.html

Thank you for all useful information...you said that some p,n reactions produce neutrons...can you give some information on that...i also found some fusion reactions in the lecture pdf which gives neutron..e.g 12c+12c gives 23Mg+n and 16O+16O gives 31S + n..so when some heavier elements than hydrogen and helium fuses, they do give out neutrons...so neutrons are also emitted from Sun..is this correct..what i mean is, which one is emitted from sun,neutrinos or neutrons?
 
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12c+12c gives 23Mg+n and 16O+16O gives 31S + n..so when some heavier elements than hydrogen and helium fuses, they do give out neutrons
require very high temperatures beyound those in the sun. Fusion of carbon is well beyond He fusion.

The p,n reaction has a fairly large energy threshold, particularly for light elements. I don't think n-production is significant in the sun. Certainly neutrino production is significant and neutrinos are emitted from the sun.
 
One way to write the pp reaction is 6\;^1H \to ^4He + 2\;^1H + 2\beta + 2\gamma + 2\nu. The helium-4 nucleus contains two neutrons. So in a sense, the proton-proton chain reaction process in the sun does create neutrons, but they are not free neutrons. They are instead bound with protons in the form of helium-4 nuclei.
 

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