Does This Expression Represent an Electrostatic Field?

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The discussion revolves around understanding whether a given expression in cylindrical coordinates represents an electrostatic field. The expression is presented as a vector field dependent on both radial and axial components.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the characteristics of electrostatic fields, questioning the dependency on the radial coordinate and discussing the concept of the curl of a vector field. There is an attempt to relate the properties of the field to its representation in cylindrical coordinates.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying the properties of electrostatic fields and the implications of the curl. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between the curl and the nature of the electric field, although multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There are considerations regarding the definition of the curl in cylindrical coordinates, particularly at the z-axis, which may affect the analysis of the field's electrostatic nature. Participants note the necessity of demonstrating that the line integral of the field around a closed path is zero to confirm its electrostatic characteristics.

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Homework Statement



Why does this expression, given in cylindrical coordinates, rapresent an electrostatic field:
$${\bf E(r)}=\frac{\alpha}{z^2}{\bf u_r}-2 \frac{\alpha r}{z^3}{\bf u_z} $$

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I can't understand why the expression rapresent an electrostatic field.
An electrostatic field is characterized by the fact that it depends only by r, isn't it?
I have tried to transform this expression in cartesian coordinates, but with no result (this is the firt time that I work with cylindrical coordinates). I'm thinking that I don't know how to say if a field is electrostatic or not.

Many thanks for your help.
 
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bznm said:
An electrostatic field is characterized by the fact that it depends only by r, isn't it?

Not necessarily.

Have you studied the concept of the "curl" of a vector?
 
Curl? is it the rotor?
 
bznm said:
Curl? is it the rotor?

Yes. Do you know how to express it in cylindrical coordinates?
 
TSny said:
Yes. Do you know how to express it in cylindrical coordinates?
I have found it on internet
 
If E is electrostatic, what can you say about the rotor of E?
 
it is equal to zero... I got it! Thanks!
 
Good.

[I'm not sure if you are meant to worry about the following possibility. Sometimes you need to be careful working in cylindrical coordinates because the rotor is not defined on the z axis (r = 0). Also, your electric field is not defined on the z axis. Even if you change to cartesian coordinates, you will find that the rotor is not defined on the z axis for your field.

An electrostatic field should have the property that the line integral of the field around any closed path is zero. This will be the case if the rotor of E is zero at every point. Since the rotor is not defined along the z-axis in your example, it is necessary to show that the line integral of E around a closed path that encloses the z-axis is zero before you can really conclude that you have an electrostatic field. This came up in a recent question: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=709685

In your case, you can show that the line integral is zero for a path that encloses the z-axis.

Again, I'm not sure if you are meant to worry about this.]
 

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